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Old July 6th, 2006, 08:33 PM   #281
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I think when they mean driverless they mean no driver's cab at the front, and there is no one to control the opening and closing of doors.

Because if its just the ''driver'' being there to provide a safe feeling and there's a driver's cab and he controls the opening of doors etc, most new rail systems fall into this category, and I doubt the Metro Line 10 belongs to this category.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 11:01 PM   #282
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Old July 9th, 2006, 09:45 AM   #283
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The MTR system is automated, the train operator is in the cab to monitor passenger flow and door control. All trains within the MTR network use ATO by SECAM and ATP incase ATO is not operational..
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Old July 9th, 2006, 12:57 PM   #284
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I have taken automated trains in Copenhagen, Hong Kong Airport and Tokyo. But I'm not that sure whether the train runs between the downtown of Tokyo and Odaiba is automated or not.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 01:36 PM   #285
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I have taken automated trains in Copenhagen, Hong Kong Airport and Tokyo. But I'm not that sure whether the train runs between the downtown of Tokyo and Odaiba is automated or not.
Yes it is. Thats the Yurikamome Line, a driverless & fully automated system.

Automated - With driver only to operate the doors, but train speed etc. are all controlled by the computer.

Driverless - Doors and train operations all controlled by the computer and train has no driver's cab. In some systems, a staff member is still on board the train but only as a emergency backup and as a form of assurance to passengers.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 02:43 PM   #286
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Automatic trains are proven to be significantly much safer and reliable than manned trains. SkyTrain here in Vancouver has been around for 20 years exactly, and there has never ever been a crash or any major technical fault. The only deaths are the odd suicide and those who've fallen onto the tracks right in front of an incoming train (though station tracks are lined with sensors, even a 500g newspaper would set the sensors off causing all trains to stop abruptly, and there are staff at each station that will check out what's the problem).
Oh I see. I've sometimes wondered how SkyTrain deals with possibilities like a person falling onto the tracks in the face of an oncoming train. However I still think that having screens and doors along the platform edge is the best solution to this safety problem, as it would prevent people or objects from falling onto the tracks in the first place. Also, at the other extreme, the fact that a 500g newspaper (which in my opinion does not pose a hazard worth worrying about) would set off the sensors and unnecessarily stop a train is another reason why platform-edge screens and doors are superior to sensors.

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Old July 9th, 2006, 05:12 PM   #287
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Yes it is. Thats the Yurikamome Line, a driverless & fully automated system.

Automated - With driver only to operate the doors, but train speed etc. are all controlled by the computer.

Driverless - Doors and train operations all controlled by the computer and train has no driver's cab. In some systems, a staff member is still on board the train but only as a emergency backup and as a form of assurance to passengers.
Thx for your description.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 05:58 PM   #288
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This is a Korean train. Rotem, the company that builds this, is part of Hyundai - a Korean company.

Though much different in size and with different features, some of Hong Kong's fleet is the XG-EMU.
I know the train in Hong Kong is from Rotem (Korean), but I didn't know that they were based on the same design. They look so different.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 06:37 PM   #289
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That's because it's the butt of the Red Bandits.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 10:06 PM   #290
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Oh I see. I've sometimes wondered how SkyTrain deals with possibilities like a person falling onto the tracks in the face of an oncoming train. However I still think that having screens and doors along the platform edge is the best solution to this safety problem, as it would prevent people or objects from falling onto the tracks in the first place. Also, at the other extreme, the fact that a 500g newspaper (which in my opinion does not pose a hazard worth worrying about) would set off the sensors and unnecessarily stop a train is another reason why platform-edge screens and doors are superior to sensors.
Well, I think the 500g detection could mean there may even be the slightest possibility that it would interefere with the trains. That may be the reason.....remember, SkyTrain uses linear motors on top of being supplied with electricity through a third rail. It's different from most systems.....perhaps that's why? dunno.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 10:24 PM   #291
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I know the train in Hong Kong is from Rotem (Korean), but I didn't know that they were based on the same design. They look so different.
Well, Hong Kong uses many types of trains. Among them are the Rotem XG-EMU, built in 1998 and delivered in 1999. These trains have drivers.

Consider that Vancouver's Canada Line is completely driverless and the train design process beginning in 2005 (quite a few years later from MTR) and is still an ongoing process, the design will certainly look different but nevertheless still share same concepts.


HONG KONG XG-EMU



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Old July 29th, 2006, 06:28 AM   #292
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That is a really exciting news.
Those criticizers are just losers. They felt left out by the majority of Chinese people otherwise why did they bother to bash?
Go Shanghai!
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Old August 1st, 2006, 04:06 AM   #293
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what sucks about this system is that though by 2020 Shanghai is going to have a population over 20 million, its metro does not have local/express services, at least not according to the map plans. Going from Chongming island to Huangpu having to suffer through every stop can be excruciating. why does the Shanghai municipal government not incorporate any express services?
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Old August 1st, 2006, 02:47 PM   #294
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drunkenmunky888,
I think those maps are just for overviewing the futue system - probably not that detailed that they would show expresslines and such.
I'm sure the transit planners in Shanghai have thought of building expressways as well.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:01 AM   #295
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what sucks about this system is that though by 2020 Shanghai is going to have a population over 20 million, its metro does not have local/express services, at least not according to the map plans. Going from Chongming island to Huangpu having to suffer through every stop can be excruciating. why does the Shanghai municipal government not incorporate any express services?
All they have to do to implement express service is make trains skip stations. Not a big logistical challenge, methinks.
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Old August 2nd, 2006, 07:17 AM   #296
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Fantastic! Well don Shanghai.

Now, I have one main question. One reason that Tokyo "only" has 223 km of metro is because there is a massive suburban rail network that complementes the metro. Now, Shanghai is building 800 km (!!! ) of metro. Does this mean that they intend to have the metro be by far the main mode of transport in this multi-million person metropolis or are there significant plans for suburban rail?

In any case, congratulations!
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Old August 3rd, 2006, 03:24 AM   #297
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Heihei, Guangzhou is also expanding its metro length to 255km before 2009 and 650km by 2020.
7 metro lines are now under construction in Guangzhou and more are planned.

Let's see which city will have the longest and the best metro system in China by that time
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Old August 5th, 2006, 12:31 AM   #298
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All they have to do to implement express service is make trains skip stations. Not a big logistical challenge, methinks.
Not true. I'm not talking about some lame skip-stop service. I'm referring to legit express service like the kind they have in New York City where they have four track lines where two outside tracks serve local service in both directions and the inside two tracks are express service in both directions. This is impossible for Lines 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 because they have already built two track lines. Hopefully with future lines, Shanghai transit planners will consider this scheme cuz IMO it is one of the best in the world.
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Old August 11th, 2006, 06:36 PM   #299
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Shanghai Maglev fire

Fire on Shanghai levitating train

Friday, August 11, 2006 Posted: 1229 GMT (2029 HKT)

SHANGHAI, China (Reuters) -- The high-speed magnetic levitation train running between Shanghai and its international airport caught fire on Friday, forcing the train to be evacuated, but there were no serious injuries, witnesses said.

A small blaze broke out in the area of the propulsion equipment as the Maglev left Pudong International Airport, people on the train said.

The train, which can travel up to 430 km (270 miles) an hour, had just begun to accelerate when the fire was noticed. Firemen extinguished the blaze and helped passengers off the train and its elevated track, which runs 30 km (19 miles) into Shanghai.

Chinese state television said authorities had established the fire was not set deliberately. The side of the line running in the direction of Shanghai stopped operating, and it was unclear when it would reopen. Officials of the company running the line were unavailable to comment.

In 2003, China became the first country in the world to operate a Maglev train on a commercial basis. The Chinese government and a German consortium including Siemens have been discussing the possibility of extending the line by 160 km (100 miles) to the city of Hangzhou.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/as...i.maglev.reut/
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Wow... I hope the damage isn't too serious and expensive... No pics?
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