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Old April 22nd, 2014, 09:24 AM   #3121
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is it for tourists? or everybody uses it to get to work?
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 09:41 AM   #3122
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it's for tourists, about $6 per ride.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 10:46 AM   #3123
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Still too much.
Given the situation with line 6, they should have a train come every 30 seconds. Also put more turnstiles at the exits, some stations have only 3 and usually one is broken and it creates a chinese push fest.
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Old April 22nd, 2014, 05:14 PM   #3124
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Still too much.
4 min off peak is pretty standard around the world for a subway line. Line 6 is getting relived a little by Line 12 and soon Lines 9 and 14. Of course 9 min off peak for any subway line is a little ridiculous.
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Old April 29th, 2014, 07:25 AM   #3125
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Wow, the great network of metro, in Shanghai, I proud to be an Asian.

By the way, some website inform that currently Shanghai Metro is not the largest metro network of the world, the honour goes to Beijing Metro. is it true?

If not, which network is largest? Beijing or Shanghai? (excluding maglev and airport express).. please clear the confusion..
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Old April 29th, 2014, 07:32 AM   #3126
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Wow, the great network of metro, in Shanghai, I proud to be an Asian.

By the way, some website inform that currently Shanghai Metro is not the largest metro network of the world, the honour goes to Beijing Metro. is it true?

If not, which network is largest? Beijing or Shanghai? (excluding maglev and airport express).. please clear the confusion..
ATM Shanghai but Beijing is building them faster and has more lines in the pipeline.
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Old May 2nd, 2014, 12:24 PM   #3127
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April 30

Shanghai metro set daily ridership record again

The new record is 9.381 million. This is the 2nd time Shanghai ridership set new record in April.

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Old May 2nd, 2014, 03:44 PM   #3128
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ATM Shanghai but Beijing is building them faster and has more lines in the pipeline.
Here is the list.

1. Shanghai
2. Seoul
3. Beijing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metro_systems

However, this year and and the following years Seoul is going to have many new openings so by the end of this year Seoul is going to take over as the largest metro system in the world.

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Old May 2nd, 2014, 10:34 PM   #3129
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That's by length, by number of stations NYC is still #1 followed by Seoul and Paris.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 10:11 AM   #3130
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That's by length, by number of stations NYC is still #1 followed by Seoul and Paris.
I guess un ny many stations are counted several times as there are routes, not lines. While in Shanghai, there are actually 329 separate stations.

In the future Shanghai will beat ny easily. And don't forget that Shanghai metro is clean, convenient, air conditioned and very quiet system while in ny it is stinky and crapped.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 10:40 AM   #3131
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I want to know by length, OK, it is clear that by the route length, Shanghai is the largest.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 10:42 AM   #3132
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Recently I heard that, despite the rubber-tyred tram in Zhangjiang area, Shanghai is now planning to constract a separate traditional steel-wheeled tram system , especially in western Shanghai, is it true?
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Here is the list.

1. Shanghai
2. Seoul
3. Beijing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metro_systems

However, this year and and the following years Seoul is going to have many new openings so by the end of this year Seoul is going to take over as the largest metro system in the world.
I don't agree with Wikipedia. I don' understand why in Seoul the all rail urban service network, operated by three different operators, are counted together while in Tokyo the system is divided by operator and the majority of urban rail service is provided by systems not included in that list.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 12:01 PM   #3134
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I guess un ny many stations are counted several times as there are routes, not lines. While in Shanghai, there are actually 329 separate.
I don't think so. The reason most likely is that NYC stations are closer together. In Paris they are definitely much closer to each other.

In any case the greatest urban rail system is neither Shanghai nor NYC. Once you count all operators and all lines (metro+suburban rail) that title without a doubt goes to Tokyo.
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I don't think so. The reason most likely is that NYC stations are closer together. In Paris they are definitely much closer to each other.

In any case the greatest urban rail system is neither Shanghai nor NYC. Once you count all operators and all lines (metro+suburban rail) that title without a doubt goes to Tokyo.
You are right. still, Shanghai metro does have a lot of stations.

Paris yes, there stations are as close as bus stops from one another. that is why it is so slow.
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This thread must be merged with this one.
What for?

Some HK or ny have separated threads for metros and others.
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Old May 3rd, 2014, 09:08 PM   #3138
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Yes.
Then please write some details about that steel wheel tram lines, e.g. - route, opening year, service area, and a map..
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Old May 4th, 2014, 01:56 AM   #3139
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However, this year and and the following years Seoul is going to have many new openings so by the end of this year Seoul is going to take over as the largest metro system in the world.
Seoul has 1 new opening this year the Line 9 extension that's like 12 km.

Next year is the Incheon Line 2 and Suin Phase 2 that's like 40km.

Beijing is the dark horse here. Including the 2 monorail lines, there is a lot major sections opening every year up to 2016 with certainty.
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From various sources I’ve tried to get a clear view of Shanghai’s old tram network.

Former tram route 8 ran via Nanjing Road from Yangshupu to East New Bridge.
Not exactly Nanjing Road, the # 8 tram never traveled on Nanjing Road. From Yangshupu (Shanghai Eastend), it traveled on today's Yangshupu Rue, East Daming Rue, Daming Rue (the Daming Rue~East Daming Rue corridor used to be called the Broadway), Tiantong Rue, Zhejiang Rue to Dongxinqiao which is East New Bridge. The Yangshupu Rue~Daming Rue portion was later inherited by trolley-bus route 28, the Tiantong Rue~Zhejiang Rue portion was later inherited by trolley-bus route 22, and eventually route 25.

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The Route 1 ran from the terminus at Jian’ansi (静安寺) to Wait an(外滩) alongside the Huangpu River, passing through Beijing Road and Nanjing Road on its way, with a total length of over 6 km.
Correct. # 1 tram was in fact the very first public transit route to be instated in Shanghai, born on March 5th, 1908, the original route was just as you described. Later on, it was extended north along the Bund (Shanghai's romantic waterfront, Wai-tan), crossing the Garden Bridge (Wai-bai-du Qiao)
, turning left on North Su-zhou Rue, and then turning north on North Sichuan Rue, and all the way to Hongkow Park (today's Luxun Park).

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Tram Route 3 that ran between Hongkou Park and Pentagon Square
This was in fact the very last tram to be withdrawn from Shanghai. Route 3 was converted to motor bus route 93 in 1975, then converted to trolley-bus route 9 in 1983, and converted back to motor bus in 1993. Since the # 93 was already used elsewhere, the new motor bus route was numbered 139.

Here is picture taken in 1976, a year after # 3 tram ceased operation, a tram was parked at Pentagon Place.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ibisbi...i3YY6v-hnMRpb/

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In the following decades, nearly two dozen more tram lines surfaced to cover the entire downtown area of Shanghai, extending to Yangshupu (杨树浦, today’s Yangpu District)in the east, Hongkou Park (虹口公园) and old train station in the north, Xujiahui (徐家汇) in the west and Lujiawan (卢家湾) in the south, with the average daily number of passengers the trams handled reaching almost half million (486,000). Yet of 22 tram lines, 11 were owned by British companies, 7 ran by French merchants, with only 4 belonged to Chinese. Could anybody show me the area written in bold comparing on the map of Shanghai/ Shanghai metro?
Yangshupu is currently served by metro lines 4, 8, 10, and 12.

Hongkou Park (now Luxun Park) is not directly served by any metro line, however, the nearest metro station is Hongkou Soccer Stadium served by line 3.

Old North train station is served by Metro 3, and 4 at Baoshan Rue Station.

Xujiahui is served by lines 1, 9, and 11.

The precise location of Lujiawan is today's South Chongqing Rue and Jianguo Rue intersection, it is not directly served by any metro, however two metros are in the vicinity, Line 10 Xin-tian-di (新天地) Station to the north, and Line 9 Madang Rue (马当路) Station to the south. In future Madang Rue station will serve as a transfer station between the 9 and 13. In fact during the 2010 Shanghai Expo, Madang Rue has already served this purpose as Line 13 operated a shuttle service from Madang Rue to Expo venure in Pudong.

Shanghai's tram network never reached 22 lines, however Shanghai's trolley-bus network did once reach 22 routes, with 961 trolley coaches, all articulated. The duration of this period only lasted for two years though.

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The old Shanghai tram used to be the favourite urban transportation for the residents from all walks of life, in particular the folks at the grassroots level, due to its high frequency, its low cost and its easiness to leap on and jump off board, while the reincarnated tram (modern rubber tyred tram) is more like to be designed for a planned VIP trip. It gains speed, gains efficiency, gains order, gains stability, but the lively dynamism, the social inclusion and the human touch seem to be somewhat missing. Can we regain those lost qualities?

At last please compare the old & new tram system routes on a map.
All these factors about Shanghai's tram network you mentioned is true, however it is impossible to resurrect such a system today in downtown Shanghai. The closest reincarnation will be in the manifestation of new trolley-buses. After years of ignorance and decline, Shanghai is beginning to revert this trend by making massive investment in new trolley-bus. Shanghai has placed an order of 290 new trolley-buses from Jinhua Neoplan, the first 60 vehicles have already been delivered since January 2014.

Here are some photos of the inauguration run two weeks ago on April 17th.











This picture was taken at Shanghai Stadium Terminus of route 15, the most south-western corner of Shanghai's trolley-bus network. This was an ecstatic day for transit fans in Shanghai as it marked the resurrection of a trolley route. Route 15 was dieselized in March 2013 due to lack of operable trolleys.



A new trolley, assigned to route 15, crossing Zhejiang Rue Bridge.

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