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Old May 27th, 2014, 06:41 PM   #3201
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Tunneling is not impossible, but would be very hard and costly. Look at the picture! The maglev is boxed in on all sides.

I know it was to test maglev technology, and it was a 1.5 billion dollar test. They could have built a Burj Khalifa for that money. Maybe they will connect the airports, but first Chen Liangyu has to break out of prison, rob an ICBC, and then maybe they will expand it.
This was a demonstration line, and I recall once hearing announcements at the station welcoming you to the maglev demonstration line. The Germans (Transrapid) convinced the Chinese to build this short line to showcase their maglev technology, hoping they'd bite for the much bigger Beijing-Shanghai link.

In the end, maglev was too costly for the distance, so this demonstration line remains an orphan today. It was never meant to be a realistic city connection to begin with. Had they didn't build this, it doesn't mean the money would have been used to build something else automatically.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 08:04 AM   #3202
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Still, over a billion dollars for a demonstration line is crazy!

It think it was one of Chen Liangyu's overspending projects, same as the Lupu bridge. Now they are stuck with it and can't build a sensible connection to the city like HK and Beijing have.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 10:41 AM   #3203
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What's wrong with Lupu bridge?

Once again. Consider the distance between airports and downtowns in these cities and the time needed to run it.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 12:54 PM   #3204
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This was a demonstration line, and I recall once hearing announcements at the station welcoming you to the maglev demonstration line. The Germans (Transrapid) convinced the Chinese to build this short line to showcase their maglev technology, hoping they'd bite for the much bigger Beijing-Shanghai link.

In the end, maglev was too costly for the distance, so this demonstration line remains an orphan today. It was never meant to be a realistic city connection to begin with. Had they didn't build this, it doesn't mean the money would have been used to build something else automatically.
Wasn't the idea to continue this line on to Shanghai South Station, then Suzhou, until they realized conventional rail would only be slightly "slower?" Is that not the case? I've always wondered, since the old maps indicated this

I seem to be the only one, but don't you think a simple extension to the Disney resort could at least make the line profitable?

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Old May 28th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #3205
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EXACTLY! I'm pretty sure that at the time, the current high rise developments were not there. Also that avenue down towards Lujiazui is so big you could easily put the tracks there.
I still use the Maglev though because its a lot quicker than the taxi or line 2.
Actually, they were already there.

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Old May 28th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #3206
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It's Chinese name is 上海磁浮示范运营线, Shnghǎi Cf Shfn Ynyng Xin, which means Shanghai Maglev Demonstration Operation Line. So it's essentially just a demonstration line.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 09:26 AM   #3207
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It IS the most convenient way to get to the city. Taxi is way slower even with no jams in the way.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 06:51 PM   #3208
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Metro or bus is also good.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 08:10 PM   #3209
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They are very very slow and it takes a lot if time to get to the downtown. For example, I used once in 2012 metro line 2. It took 38 minutes only to come to Guanglan Lu station from Pudong airport. To reach Peoples Square it takes more than an hour. Same with taxi.

When I live in Shanghai, I usually stay at Dapuqiao. It is 55 km drive from the airport. And this is the very center. I guess only Tokyo can be comparable to Shanghai in terms of distances. That's is why conventional express train are not the best solution.
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Old May 29th, 2014, 09:17 PM   #3210
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55 km is relatively far for an airport, but not far at all for a normal rail. One could easily imagine express train averaging just 100 km/h and getting to the city centre in 30 min. That's adequate, I'd say. People are not flying every day after all.
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Just extending the maglev to the center might be cheaper than building an entirely new express rail route from Pudong to the People's Square.
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They are very very slow and it takes a lot if time to get to the downtown. For example, I used once in 2012 metro line 2. It took 38 minutes only to come to Guanglan Lu station from Pudong airport. To reach Peoples Square it takes more than an hour. Same with taxi.

When I live in Shanghai, I usually stay at Dapuqiao. It is 55 km drive from the airport. And this is the very center. I guess only Tokyo can be comparable to Shanghai in terms of distances. That's is why conventional express train are not the best solution.
But it's much cheaper, I can reserve two hours going from and to the airport.
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Old May 30th, 2014, 06:54 PM   #3213
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Wasn't the idea to continue this line on to Shanghai South Station, then Suzhou, until they realized conventional rail would only be slightly "slower?" Is that not the case? I've always wondered, since the old maps indicated this

I seem to be the only one, but don't you think a simple extension to the Disney resort could at least make the line profitable?
That was one of many ideas that floated to make better use of the demonstration line. It was never originally conceived to connect with Suzhou or Hangzhou anyway.
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Old June 8th, 2014, 09:48 PM   #3214
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Proposed Design of new Line 3/4 trains. I heard that the existing Line 3 trains will be rebuilt in the future. 35 new sets ordered first one delivering in July.



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Why so many?

Line 3 will be split, so, it's length will be dwarved.
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Old June 9th, 2014, 03:17 PM   #3216
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Why so many?

Line 3 will be split, so, it's length will be dwarved.
Its for Lines 3/4. The splitting will allow for closer headways. Therefore more trains are needed.
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Historically, the rolling stock on both was different: Siemens on line 4 and Alstom Metropoils on line 3.

35 EMUs seems to me a huge figure comparable to what runs now on each of the lines, no?
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Old June 10th, 2014, 06:25 AM   #3218
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Historically, the rolling stock on both was different: Siemens on line 4 and Alstom Metropoils on line 3.
Yes but that doesn't mean they can't be the same.

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35 EMUs seems to me a huge figure comparable to what runs now on each of the lines, no?
Both Lines currently run at 12 trains per hour. With Line splitting they can run up to 24 trains per hour. You are going to need alot more trains to sustain that level of service.
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I agree, they they'll need a lot but still.

Imagine they've split the lines.

Line 3 gets 10 (or how many?) km shorter. So it will need fewer trains to maintain the same headways. If headways have to be reduced by half, then yes, should be a little more.

Line 4 will definitely need more trains.

How many trains are there now on each of the lines?
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Old June 11th, 2014, 12:05 AM   #3220
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I agree, they they'll need a lot but still.

Imagine they've split the lines.

Line 3 gets 10 (or how many?) km shorter. So it will need fewer trains to maintain the same headways. If headways have to be reduced by half, then yes, should be a little more.

Line 4 will definitely need more trains.

How many trains are there now on each of the lines?
Like 30 sets each line
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