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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:01 PM   #3321
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I have posted that video about 8 months ago.
Since we are talking about Line 16, I providing the link to the video again.

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Old October 15th, 2014, 11:41 PM   #3322
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And line 16 doesn't reach Longyang Lu yet. I read somewhere this extension would open this year, along with a line 13 extension to Changshou Lu, with the section to Changqing Lu as well as the remainder of line 12 opening in 2015. Is this correct? Anyway, I remember that all of this was supossed to be ready by 2012...
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Old October 16th, 2014, 06:15 AM   #3323
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City buses add new broadcast system
Shanghai Daly Excerpt
October 15, 2014

More than 10,000 public buses will be equipped with an automatic broadcasting system by the end of the year, according to Shanghai’s main bus operator.

The system uses GPS and will broadcast the next stop automatically, allowing drivers to concentrate on driving. Drivers currently have to press a button when approaching a stop to activate the broadcast.

Shanghai Bashi Electric Bus Company said it has been testing the system since May and has it equipped on all 780 buses in its fleet.

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Old October 17th, 2014, 10:30 AM   #3324
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How long does it take to travel the entire line 16?

I remember it was so hard to get to the wild animal park. The new station should make the trip much easier...
yeah^ I was in the Park in 2012 and it took quite a long time to get there by tax.

Big-dog, thanks a lot for providing pictures of Dishui lake. I absolutely must come there next time when I'm in Shanghai.
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Old October 17th, 2014, 10:32 AM   #3325
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And line 16 doesn't reach Longyang Lu yet. I read somewhere this extension would open this year,
You're right. I have some pics of line 16 construction. It is underway. I'll hope to post them right here before it opens.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 11:30 AM   #3326
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Finally, I've done that.

Sorry for the poor quality, most of the pics were taken from Maglev train.























































13 .07. 2014.

It will be nice to see races between Maglev train and trains on line 16 considereing that Maglev runs there under 200 km/h. Shanghai is turning into Tokyo bit by bit in terms of transport!
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Old October 25th, 2014, 04:02 PM   #3327
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Mmm, no they're still quite different, I don't think any city will get anywhere near to the 5000km of rail covering Metro Tokyo any time soon. Shanghai is Shanghai and I think their metro system looks really good and I look forward to riding it in January.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 04:47 PM   #3328
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Mmm, no they're still quite different, I don't think any city will get anywhere near to the 5000km of rail covering Metro Tokyo any time soon. Shanghai is Shanghai and I think their metro system looks really good and I look forward to riding it in January.
Well when you think that big. The Yangtze River Delta and Pearl River Delta Mega Metros will reach that point.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 05:01 PM   #3329
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Well when you think that big. The Yangtze River Delta and Pearl River Delta Mega Metros will reach that point.
Tokyo Urban Metropolitan area covers 3,925 km2 and contains 32,542,946 people.

Yangtze River Delta area covers 99,600 km2 and contains around 140,000,000 people.

There is no comparison between these two metropolitan areas at all.

Shanghai area covers 6,340.5 km2 and contains approximately 24,150,000.

Shanghai is the best comparison, not the Yangtze River Delta area. The Tokyo metropolitan area is not as big as you think unless you include the rural portions of the area. This expands the area to around 13,500km2, but it is still nowhere near the size of the Yangtze River Delta.

This wasn't meant to be a "Tokyo is better than Shanghai" - more to point out they are still different. Shanghai is building an amazing system and I cannot wait to try it.
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Old October 25th, 2014, 05:59 PM   #3330
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Tokyo Urban Metropolitan area covers 3,925 km2 and contains 32,542,946 people.

Yangtze River Delta area covers 99,600 km2 and contains around 140,000,000 people.

There is no comparison between these two metropolitan areas at all.

Shanghai area covers 6,340.5 km2 and contains approximately 24,150,000.

Shanghai is the best comparison, not the Yangtze River Delta area. The Tokyo metropolitan area is not as big as you think unless you include the rural portions of the area. This expands the area to around 13,500km2, but it is still nowhere near the size of the Yangtze River Delta.

This wasn't meant to be a "Tokyo is better than Shanghai" - more to point out they are still different. Shanghai is building an amazing system and I cannot wait to try it.
What do those Wikipedia numbers about Tokyo stand for?

Metropolis
2,187.66 km2
13,185,502 people

Metro
13,572 km2
35,682,460 people

And how your Tokyo numbers come into the picture? Where did you take them from? Edit: found it.

In either case the fundamental argument that Shanghai (city and region) has nothing to be compared to Tokyo in terms of rail transit is correct. It might take another 15-20 years for Shanghai to develop anything of a similar scale and perhaps 10-15 years for the PRD.

What does surprise me is that major cities in China do not seem to be on a hurry to develop additional heavy-rail systems. Beijing is already desperate for one. So is Shanghai. I get a general impression that situation is better in the PRD region i.e. they are building or preparing to build some commuter railways.

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Old October 25th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #3331
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its a bit weird that there is a subway line running parallel to the maglev...including a station, that is right next to it and almost looks the same.

The question is...what are they going to do with the maglev, now that its totally obsolete.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 05:08 PM   #3332
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I get the feeling line 16 was not planned when the Maglev was built? It looks like a building retrofitted to connect to the Maglev station.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 05:42 PM   #3333
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its a bit weird that there is a subway line running parallel to the maglev...including a station, that is right next to it and almost looks the same. The question is...what are they going to do with the maglev, now that its totally obsolete.
I think it was initially supposed to serve the Shanghai South Railway station and go on to Hangzhou (or Suzhou?). In any case, they opted for a conventional rail connection - because it was just as fast (10-15 minutes slower) and a bit cheaper - so the Maglev fell into a limbo.

I do think they may expand it to the Disney area, and I would hope it could go on through the southern part of Shanghai to the railway station and possibly Hongqiao.

The one curiosity to me about Shanghai's system is why the other suburban lines (9, 10, 11, 16, etc) weren't designed like 22? I often went out to Anting and having an actual railway to connect to the city would shrink the nearly one hour trip (i.e. make Jiading, Songjiang, etc a lot more viable for workers in the central districts).
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Old October 26th, 2014, 08:18 PM   #3334
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Shanghai area covers 6,340.5 km2 and contains approximately 24,150,000.

Shanghai is the best comparison, not the Yangtze River Delta area. The Tokyo metropolitan area is not as big as you think unless you include the rural portions of the area. This expands the area to around 13,500km2, but it is still nowhere near the size of the Yangtze River Delta.
A better comparison for Tokyo (1 capital, 3 prefectures) might be Shanghai plus Suzhou. Suzhou area is 6094 square km, population 10 578 000.

Shanghai+Suzhou would be 12 435 square km, population 34 830 000

If you look at population distribution within the 1 capital 3 prefecture of Tokyo, vs. 1 municipality 1 prefecture of Shanghai, how do they compare? Which parts of the administrative limits are countryside, which are urban?
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Old October 27th, 2014, 04:27 AM   #3335
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Luoshan Rd interchange, which was built together with Line 16 elevated tracks, opened recently after over one year's construction. I happen to work in that area and the traffic is finally back to normal now.

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Old October 27th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #3336
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A better comparison for Tokyo (1 capital, 3 prefectures) might be Shanghai plus Suzhou. Suzhou area is 6094 square km, population 10 578 000.

Shanghai+Suzhou would be 12 435 square km, population 34 830 000

If you look at population distribution within the 1 capital 3 prefecture of Tokyo, vs. 1 municipality 1 prefecture of Shanghai, how do they compare? Which parts of the administrative limits are countryside, which are urban?
I would say in the whole Wuxi-Shanghai Corridor is starting to function like Tokyo. Also Svartmetall you have included a lot of Shanghai's rural areas in your size calculation.
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I would say in the whole Wuxi-Shanghai Corridor is starting to function like Tokyo. Also Svartmetall you have included a lot of Shanghai's rural areas in your size calculation.
Precisely, which is why I say that the rail extent is coming nowhere close yet. It probably will in the future, but the rail coverage over in Tokyo is extreme and completely unrivalled anywhere in the world.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 12:29 AM   #3338
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Precisely, which is why I say that the rail extent is coming nowhere close yet. It probably will in the future, but the rail coverage over in Tokyo is extreme and completely unrivalled anywhere in the world.
Well like you said, you could say any city in the world doesn't have the rail extent is coming close to Tokyo. But the Wuxi-Shanghai and the Guangfo-HK/SZ corridor is the closest bets we have to anything like Tokyo in the mid future.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 02:32 AM   #3339
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This is really off topic now, but I think it's Greater Osaka actually.
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Old October 28th, 2014, 07:01 AM   #3340
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I think Wuxi and shuzou is already a city of their own(in term of population and size), if you force them to be included inside greater shanghai it would damage their city development and might end up to be shanghai satellite city where all the good development will focus mainly in shanghai. I also think these city is too far to be included inside greater shanghai. I think they could work together and form an economy strategic area between these city. Furthermore shanghai will be too crowded if people from these city coming in to work. I've been to shanghai twice and it is very crowded. Unlike Tokyo who have few big, famous and busy downtown area, shanghai also need to develop few more downtown area to "dissolve" the crowd in main city area.

In future population of shanghai will increase and I think might be bigger than Tokyo (maybe haha) they will need to build more line to make the city moving.
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