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Old June 24th, 2005, 04:19 PM   #21
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Yeah....if they build it, Shanghai and Hangzhou is just a 26 mins train ride away.....
And now it spends 2 - 2.5 hrs to travel between these 2 cities ...
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Old June 24th, 2005, 04:21 PM   #22
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And now it spends 2 - 2.5 hrs to travel between these 2 cities ...
Yeah try the train ride b4........
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Old June 24th, 2005, 04:41 PM   #23
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Sorry some confusion here as I wasn't specific. I wasn't talking about the Hangzhou ext.

I thought that there was a decision last year to extend the line a bit closer to downtown from the current terminus in the financial district. Or did I misunderstand something???
I have no info about whether they will build an extension to the downtown of Shanghai, but I personally wonder if it is cost-effective to build such a short extension without considering to extend it to Hangzhou. The Maglev may run very slowly from the current Longyang Rd. Stn. to the downtown given the short distance.
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Old June 24th, 2005, 05:09 PM   #24
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Yeah try the train ride b4........
... and which is something like this :X

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Old June 24th, 2005, 05:54 PM   #25
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... and which is something like this :X
Haha...yeah.....they even sell instant noodles on the train i think......
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Old June 28th, 2005, 09:46 PM   #26
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how much station??
around 400 stations in the central area
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Old June 28th, 2005, 09:48 PM   #27
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Funny how some cities can put down 300 stations without question, in a very short time. And Toronto cannot put down 10 stations without funding problems and it took 10 years.

PS. Good luck getting home from work.
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Old June 29th, 2005, 01:02 AM   #28
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How many stations are there right now? And after 2020, is that the end of construction? Is there a map with station names in English? That's phenomenoal how much is being built right now. Is Beijing going through something similar (especially with the Olympics coming)? What's the difference in naming lines L, R and M?
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Old June 29th, 2005, 01:45 AM   #29
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China is just AMAZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
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Old June 29th, 2005, 07:41 AM   #30
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This rail network will relieve headaches for many Shanghai residents. Buses and cabs are horrendously inaccurate due to intense traffic congestion, and meagre existing rail coverage fails to serve most people.
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How many stations are there right now? And after 2020, is that the end of construction? Is there a map with station names in English? That's phenomenoal how much is being built right now. Is Beijing going through something similar (especially with the Olympics coming)? What's the difference in naming lines L, R and M?
There are around 45-50 stations, if I estimate correctly. I only frequent two of the 4 existing lines (yes, only 4 out of 18 lines are in operation!). No, I do not know of a construction plan map with English names, only one with the existing lines. Beijing is building more track, but it will take a miracle to catch up with Shanghai. Beijing metro was started decades earlier, but has stagnated ever since the original two lines, with the city far more spread-out and therefore extravagantly costly to adequately cover with rail transport.

As for the L/R/M categorisation, I can discern no pattern. The existing lines are R1, R1 extension, R2, and M3. R1 is both underground and at-grade, whereas R2 is completely underground; M3 is an elevated heavy-rail line; I have not ridden R1 extension before, having no relatives in that part of town. M4 is definitely underground, as I witnessed the construction of several of its stations.
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Funny how some cities can put down 300 stations without question, in a very short time. And Toronto cannot put down 10 stations without funding problems and it took 10 years.

PS. Good luck getting home from work.
Public-works inefficiency is one of democracy's more conspicuous disadvantages, albeit still minor compared to the blessing of accountability. One has to thank the Communist Party for these massive construction projects; thanking them always takes courage.
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Old June 29th, 2005, 08:38 AM   #31
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Is that map supposed to have 400km of railways or 800? Guess what the 800km net will look like if there are "only" 400km on that one...
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Old June 29th, 2005, 10:19 AM   #32
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Is that map supposed to have 400km of railways or 800? Guess what the 800km net will look like if there are "only" 400km on that one...
The map has over 800km of rail, and leaves little to the imagination. If it didn't, our imaginations would be overwhelmed.
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Old June 29th, 2005, 08:07 PM   #33
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Public-works inefficiency is one of democracy's more conspicuous disadvantages, albeit still minor compared to the blessing of accountability. One has to thank the Communist Party for these massive construction projects; thanking them always takes courage.
just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment
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Old June 29th, 2005, 09:18 PM   #34
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just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment
You are like one of those fools that think we should halt space exploration because some people on Earth are still poor; backwards thinkers that have no faith in technological advancement and therefore humanity. History is frought with pitfalls where new inventions proved too expensive or inefficient; if this is one of them, then so be it.

Instead of flaming like someone with an sheltered upbringing that thinks he knows all, how about looking at the truth of this rail system? If China became a democracy in 1979 instead, it would have languished in a cesspool of impotence and corruption, and today it would be closer to Bangladesh or Zimbabwe than the economic superpower it is. Not only would the project be drowned in a quagmire of indecision, the country would never have become rich enough to afford it in any form whatsoever, poor peasants or not. Poor democracies stay poor; rich ones stay rich. People in rich countries exclaiming the system's virtues like evangelical priests don't seem to know that successful transitions from poverty to wealth, e.g. Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore, are usually done under authoritarian governments; these nations may change to democratic systems after economic prosperity. The inherent short-sightedness of democracy allows for stability and accountability in a mature government, but completely stifles and destroys the long-term ambition required for economic advancement. Why would ignorant, uneducated third-world taxpayers/voters care an ounce about the national good and future prosperity, when they don't understand long-term needs? Whoops, they don't.

All I said in my above post was that such quick construction is due to Communist administrative fiat, that democracy holding officials accountable is laudable, and that thanking the commies is risky business, yet you came with a typical Western misinformed diatribe. I might as well invent a conspiracy theory where rich democracies scheme to install impotent democratic governments in order to forestall possible rising powers. It's no more immature of a theory than thinking maglev trains are for denouncing democracy.

Oh, and one thought that might amuse you: considering the poverty of China's peasants and that they entail a majority of the population, a free democratic election would likely elect a socialist or communist government that in turn, against the poor masses' will, surrenders socialism and commences reforms: just as China is doing today.

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Old June 29th, 2005, 10:02 PM   #35
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just a short question, because I cannot read chinese:

could somebody pleas mark the "south station"( to big round thing, see the other thread about it),

I would like to know where it is in this big network....
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Old June 29th, 2005, 10:44 PM   #36
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just a short question, because I cannot read chinese:

could somebody pleas mark the "south station"( to big round thing, see the other thread about it),

I would like to know where it is in this big network....
Here is:



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Old June 29th, 2005, 10:48 PM   #37
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You are ridiculously naive

Golden Loon: Shame shame on you!! Some people like you are still ideological biased. I believe you haven't got a slightest clue on what's happening in China, really suggest you to arrange a visit to China including Shanghai.

A few facts for your reference:

Shanghai is such a dynamic, huge, and thriving metropolis, it's definately in needs of a sophiscated metro system.

If the development of Shanghai - commercial centre of China, stagnated, the rest of country including those poor rural population would be bound to lose the country's economic momentum.

In a developing country like China, the wealth disparity would continue to last over in a certain period. But we are evidencing dramatical changes - China has lift 200mt ppl out of poverty in the past 20 years, and is planning to urbanize another 200mt of rural population in the next 20. I believe no other western regime would never ever accomplish such achievement.

Why the communist party bother to build such a "small" project as the country as a whole has been enjoying a average annual growth rate at 8% for 20 years, dwarfed many other developed and developing countries.

China nowadays is communist in politics, capitalist in economy practice. Probably you don't even realize it, or unwillingly to accept.




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just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment

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Old June 29th, 2005, 10:51 PM   #38
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just like the magnetic-levitated train
the communist just put all money on those massive construction to prove that communist is better than democracy
how silly they are when their country is still full of poor framers that share nothing from the stupid investment
Nowadays, it's not so easy to find such a fool like you, I'm just too lucky.

You probably should ask your american daddy to stop all the fancy stuffs and supports the poors on this earth first.

Hey, there are still so many people in this world even don't have enough food to eat, why the hell you are still using computers and barking around?
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Old June 29th, 2005, 11:54 PM   #39
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Here is the same map with some additional captions. Existing routes are highlighted, north-south lines in green and east-west in red. Note how few lines are currently operational:

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Old June 29th, 2005, 11:57 PM   #40
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Funny how some cities can put down 300 stations without question, in a very short time. And Toronto cannot put down 10 stations without funding problems and it took 10 years.

PS. Good luck getting home from work.
in average, a brand new subway line can be built in 3.5 years in Asia. That can be building 5 lines at once and still take 3.5 years because much more people would be working on it.
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