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Old November 10th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #381
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I don't think the RER is the mainly used form of transport within the city center of Paris - the metro is. Just like the the metro of Shanghai, including those lines that happen to stretch a little bit outside that map (but still exclusively running in dense urban environment).
Fact is, two of those lines that you claim are RER-lines, are actually the two most used metro lines in the city center of Shanghai. Hell, I ride on line "R2" every day to and from school - and I both live and work in the central city!
I think you'd realize that calling those lines RER-like would be rather absurd if you visit the city and ride the metro.

The 800km figure could very well be for all types of rail transit or something similar - I have never said that that figure is for metro alone. I don't even know if this figure is reliable at all (where does it come from, anyway?).
It wouldn't be surprised if it's for metro alone though, considering the general development in this city.

The fact that Shanghai will have one of the largest metro network in the world within just a few years, and perhaps the largest network by, say, 2020-2025 is something that we have to accept whether we like it or not.
The RER carries fewer people than the Paris Metro....but then London Buses carry 2x more people than the London Underground....what mode carries more people is irrelevant. The fact is, those maps both seem to show central sections and then lines radiating out into the metro....

There might only be a central section now, but clearly they seem to form the central section of a line that will eventually radiate out when all extensions are made.

RER Line A carries 272mppa...the busiest Paris Metro line (Line A) carries 161mppa....

Also surely Shanghai ought to have the largest network anyway - population of what 20mn and god knows that would be by 2025....
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Old November 11th, 2006, 05:58 AM   #382
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I don't think the form of transport is irrelevant since we're talking about rail transit here (why mention buses?). A metro is designed to move people within the city and this is exactly what the Shanghai metro does. More so than metros in many other cities (many systems in the world stretch far out to the suburbs).

Anyway, I don't think we're getting anywhere here. I live in Shanghai, and ride the metro every day, so I think I know a thing or two about the system.
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Old November 12th, 2006, 11:42 PM   #383
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I don't think the form of transport is irrelevant since we're talking about rail transit here (why mention buses?). A metro is designed to move people within the city and this is exactly what the Shanghai metro does. More so than metros in many other cities (many systems in the world stretch far out to the suburbs).

Anyway, I don't think we're getting anywhere here. I live in Shanghai, and ride the metro every day, so I think I know a thing or two about the system.
I'm not disputing your at hand account, but the maps provided clearly show that they extend beyond where they are now! So while it might have the appearence now of a metro, in a few years when all the extensions are built (part of this 800km project) it will more resemble an RER commuter train like service like the future maps provide. Case closed.
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Old November 13th, 2006, 03:31 PM   #384
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I'm not disputing your at hand account, but the maps provided clearly show that they extend beyond where they are now! So while it might have the appearence now of a metro, in a few years when all the extensions are built (part of this 800km project) it will more resemble an RER commuter train like service like the future maps provide. Case closed.
Well, not quite.
The lines that exist today (and will be extended) doesn't end even nearly close to where the "suburbs" begin.
I live on the last station on Line 2 (Zhongshan Park), which is located in central Shanghai. In other words - extending this line would not make the line more RER-like.

I see your point here, Nick, but I think you should get some more info about Shanghai before discussing this with me! No offense.
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Old November 13th, 2006, 04:42 PM   #385
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If anyone is interested http://www.reed.edu/~reyn/transport.html

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Old November 15th, 2006, 01:48 AM   #386
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wow, the station looks fantastic!!!!speechless
is so modern and beautiful
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Old November 15th, 2006, 05:11 AM   #387
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Shanghai trolley-bus turns 92

On November 15, 1914, a new form of transportation quitely rolling
off the narrow streets of the legendary sin city. Today 92 years later, after setting a world record as the oldest trolley-bus system in the world,
the very same trolley-bus route is still adhering to her original course.
With the continued down sizing of Shanghai's trolley-bus system, every
year is worth celebrating.

Happy birthday Route 14 :P







































Photo courtesy of Mr. Song Wenchao from Shanghai.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 07:06 AM   #388
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I loved the lavender color of trains' interior!
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Old November 15th, 2006, 04:36 PM   #389
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What do you mean Japanese style signs? Any photos to compare? Thanks!
Just do some research yourself! Basically the thing abour PRC is that they will pinch other's ideas without acknowledgement. And because they Japanese type logos/fonts are the best in subways, that type of signange is used in northern cities of PRC. Incidentally, because of HK influence, the metros in the southern cities of PRC resemble the MTR, in design and signage. (Examples include Shenzhen and Nanjing uses MTR type fonts and signage)
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Old November 15th, 2006, 04:44 PM   #390
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HK MTR holds 50% shares in Shenzhen and Guangzhou MTR. The design was in charge by HK MTR. To say copying MTR is so ridiculous.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 05:28 PM   #391
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Just do some research yourself! Basically the thing abour PRC is that they will pinch other's ideas without acknowledgement. And because they Japanese type logos/fonts are the best in subways, that type of signange is used in northern cities of PRC. Incidentally, because of HK influence, the metros in the southern cities of PRC resemble the MTR, in design and signage. (Examples include Shenzhen and Nanjing uses MTR type fonts and signage)
LOL ... somebody feels insecure here ... Do you happen to know where the Japanese got their writing first.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 10:35 AM   #392
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Just do some research yourself! Basically the thing abour PRC is that they will pinch other's ideas without acknowledgement. And because they Japanese type logos/fonts are the best in subways, that type of signange is used in northern cities of PRC. Incidentally, because of HK influence, the metros in the southern cities of PRC resemble the MTR, in design and signage. (Examples include Shenzhen and Nanjing uses MTR type fonts and signage)
Answer me this, why would they bother with taking the risk of creating a new design that might potentially proven bad when there is a ready made design that has been proven to be highly successful?
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Old November 16th, 2006, 10:59 AM   #393
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HK MTR holds 50% shares in Shenzhen and Guangzhou MTR. The design was in charge by HK MTR. To say copying MTR is so ridiculous.
It doesn't matter, all PRC cares about is being the best in the world and using other people's ideas instead of inventing their own. They could design their own font types and indeed their logo to be distinct from MTR in Shenzhen, but they chose not to.

Point is, most metro systems resemble another system, no matter which city you're in PRC.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 03:40 PM   #394
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It doesn't matter, all PRC cares about is being the best in the world and using other people's ideas instead of inventing their own. They could design their own font types and indeed their logo to be distinct from MTR in Shenzhen, but they chose not to.

Point is, most metro systems resemble another system, no matter which city you're in PRC.
who cares about copying other people stuff, as long as it is good n useful who cares, so is that wrong for making da infrastructure better so that da economy can grow faster? china is ahead of India 20yrs is because its much better infrustructure which allows them 2 grow more
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Old November 16th, 2006, 03:53 PM   #395
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It doesn't matter, all PRC cares about is being the best in the world and using other people's ideas instead of inventing their own. They could design their own font types and indeed their logo to be distinct from MTR in Shenzhen, but they chose not to.

Point is, most metro systems resemble another system, no matter which city you're in PRC.
People could choose different font types for the convenience. PRC didn't blame other countries " steal " Chinese language as their own. Check for the Word document, there are tons of Chinese fonts being used by Japanese and other countries. You 'd better suggest them invent their own after you see Japanes temples or other places use all Chinese language, calligraphy as its own. Your comment might be reasonal when the day the simple log is patented.
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Happy birthday!
I love the trolley network here.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 08:52 PM   #397
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hoho, long history
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Old November 17th, 2006, 04:51 AM   #398
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I love the trolley network here.
Landskrona has one of the youngest trolley-bus system in the world.
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Old November 17th, 2006, 07:46 AM   #399
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Landskrona has one of the youngest trolley-bus system in the world.
That's correct!
I was referring to Shanghai's network however.

My hometown (well, a suburb of my hometown) has the newest trolley network in the world, and the city I currently reside in has the oldest trolley network in the world - how cool is that?
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All of the sudden, having two things looking similar is a crime, and innovation has become a must. Interesting to note how the moral rule book of the world have been edited simply like that, and it's even more interesting to note how quick the world has accepted without the slightest question of this unjustified editing.
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