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Old December 2nd, 2007, 07:27 AM   #641
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To z0rg:
Thanx for the compliment and the info. I'll try adding new lines in future updates.

The future network of Shanghai (or any given Chinese cities, for that matter) is very hard to map, cos plans too-rapidly change/grow in a short time, while information is hard to come by, especially for those who can't speak the language. Such a dynamism does make the network fascinating, though.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 09:27 AM   #642
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i totally agree that Shanghai is way too big for one system. Either they need four track express trains or they need to create two systems: one metro for lines averaging 30km and one commuter rail for +30km per line. I mean can if they use fewer stops per line, then people in between will get shafted and if they use more stops to increase coverage, imagine commuting from Jinshan to downtown stopping at 40+ stops. This can't work. They need separate systems or express service.

On the other hand, I feel like Shanghai's subway is the most similar to Seoul's in terms of planning and layout and integration of metro and suburban rail.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 12:36 PM   #643
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So? None of it will have the character of New York, London, Paris or Moscow's systems... Plus, with the amount of construction needed, I can't see how it's going to be good quality... But hey, we shall see.
And why must it have the characters of other countries' systems ? And what characters are you talking about exactly ?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 12:55 PM   #644
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So? None of it will have the character of New York, London, Paris or Moscow's systems... Plus, with the amount of construction needed, I can't see how it's going to be good quality... But hey, we shall see.
you can't really compare systems which have existed for a hundred years with a brand new one, but I'm sure commuters will prefer a tatty cramped old train compared to a smooth brand new one
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 04:48 PM   #645
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As much as I hate to say it but I don't think this system is going to be that successful looking at it now. The reason simply being that planners aim for distance rather than dense coverage. In the middle of the city, there is still a huge distance between stops not covered because of the stops being so far apart. For a city the size of Shanghai, it is imperative that they have a separate metro and commuter rail systems, and even so, the metro needs four track express service.

And what is with the pathetic hours of operation? 10 pm?!?! are they serious? Are there any plans to extend it to past midnight?
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 06:43 PM   #646
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you can't really compare systems which have existed for a hundred years with a brand new one, but I'm sure commuters will prefer a tatty cramped old train compared to a smooth brand new one
Moscow and Paris both have perfectly comfortable trains, which run like clockwork and frequencies over 30tph...

London and New York aren't as reliable, but London is getting better with it's investment going on.

And if you don't know what "character" or the importance of it, then I feel for you
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 12:41 PM   #647
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With no disrespect or anything and just out of curiousity but,

Is it safe to dig so many hole under a city at one time?

Kinda reminds me of an old console game I use to play, DigDug.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 06:05 PM   #648
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Thanx for the compliment and the info. I'll try adding new lines in future updates.
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Post the updated version of your great map when you finish it, please, please
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Old December 4th, 2007, 04:49 AM   #649
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Metro on track for Expo rush hour
1 December 2007
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Shanghai's Metro network is expanding at an astonishing pace and is expected to cover 1.56 million square meters by 2010.

City planners envisage a world-class service, integrating the airport, expressway, rail, Metro and magnetic levitation line (Maglev), geared to handle a daily capacity of 1.1 million people.

The subway now occupies 320,000 square meters of space in Shanghai, experts said yesterday at the 2007 Forum on Chinese City Under-Space.

Urban construction experts and scholars from across the country discussed plans and hot issues on developing underground infrastructure at the forum's opening in Shanghai.

According to Ying Minghong, chairman of Shanghai Shentong Metro Group, by the end of this year the Metro will occupy 680,000 square meters of underground space in the city.

"Shanghai has five Metro lines in operation, but by the end of this year there will be eight lines covering more than 230 kilometers with 163 Metro stations," Ying said.

"By 2010, Shanghai will have 11 Metro lines, totaling more than 400 kilometers with 274 stations.

"Metro lines 12 and 13 will be built by 2012, when the Metro transportation network will cover more than 500 kilometers."

The Metro network now handles 16 percent of the city's overall public transport volume.

The development and utilization of underground space in the city has exceeded 16 million square meters, occupying 2.7 percent of the Shanghai central downtown area which is 600 square kilometers.

Miu Yuning, an expert in the under-space design department of the Shanghai Municipal Engineering Design and Research Institute, said the Hongqiao integrated transport hub would be completed by the end of 2009 and be operating for the 2010 World Expo.

The facility, near the Hongqiao International Airport, will start from the Outer Ring Road in the east to Huaxiang Road in the west, stretching from Beidi Road in the north to the Huqingping Highway in the south, covering a floor area of 26.26 square kilometers.
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Old December 6th, 2007, 07:49 AM   #650
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And this is just the tentative plan for 2020 right? we dunno how the transportation system will look in 2030 or 2040. i can see some commuter lines or light rail/monorails to supplement the traffic because the metro is certainly not dense enough. For example, i can definitely see them adding a monorail to plug in the massive gaps in lujiazui or a chongming railroad similar to LIRR
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Old December 9th, 2007, 06:27 AM   #651
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see the new map from urbanrail.net


http://www.urbanrail.net/as/shan/shanghai.htm
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Old December 9th, 2007, 02:17 PM   #652
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uhm...whats that for a strange line9 (in light blue). And why is the extension of line 2 towards pudong airport not included?
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Old December 9th, 2007, 02:47 PM   #653
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Line 9 has yet to be integrated into the network:

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Old December 10th, 2007, 08:52 AM   #654
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uhm...whats that for a strange line9 (in light blue). And why is the extension of line 2 towards pudong airport not included?
This only shows operational lines as of the end of the month. The extensions of Line 2 east to Pudong Airport and west to Hongqiao Airport are only U/C - they won't be open this year.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 01:41 AM   #655
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Incredible expansion!
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Old December 12th, 2007, 06:11 AM   #656
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PS: By 2012, Shanghai will have 510km opperating, becoming world's largest metro system.
There should be some sort of national coordination policy on which Chinese city can claim a future claim (!) of the world's largest metro system:

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BEIJING -- Total investment in Beijing's subway system is set to approach 80 billion yuan (US$10.8 billion) by 2010, and the city's underground network is expected to be the world's largest as of 2015.

The financing includes 71.5 billion yuan approved by the municipal government for public transport during the 11th five-year plan period, which ends in 2010, the Beijing Morning Post reported on Monday.

The huge investment will boost construction of rail lines, which are expected to total 561 km by 2015 with a capacity of 9 million passengers daily.

By that time, rail service will extend from the downtown area to many key locations on the city fringes, including the Olympic Park and seven suburban satellite cities.

Subway transport is expected to account for 50 percent of all public transit use within eight years, greatly easing pressure on the roads.

Five new subway routes -- Line 6, the second phases of Line 10 and Line 8, and the Yizhuang and Daxing lines -- with a total length of nearly 140 km began construction in the city on Saturday. All are to be completed by 2015.

Currently, the first phases of Line 10 and Line 8, as well as a 28-km line linking downtown to Beijing Capital International Airport, are under construction.

The capital now has Line 1, Line 2, Line 5, Line 13 and the Batong line in operation, carrying about 2.3 million passengers each day. Their combined length is 142 km.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 01:37 PM   #657
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Lol! Guangzhou is bidding for the big title too since it's planning over 550km by mid 2010s.
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Old December 12th, 2007, 02:35 PM   #658
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Old December 12th, 2007, 02:57 PM   #659
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So,
2012: Shanghai has world's largest
2015: Beijing has world's largest

Guangzhou will be 2nd largest or somewhere behind...

It's really amazing that China has taken to commuting by metro so quick. Although I doubt the metro network will actually take pressure off the road networks even though the subway system may be packed...
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Will Shanghai or Bejing have any kind of a commuter rail system or will this double up as one? Or do they already have commuter rail systems?
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