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Old January 2nd, 2008, 12:26 PM   #721
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 03:38 PM   #722
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Actually, no, in China the date is YYYY/MM/DD (as you can see at the bottom of the above pictures). In China things like this tend to go from most general to most specific; addresses work the same way, so you would say China, Shanghai Municipality, Pudong District, such-and-such street, #45 (or whatever). I tend to like this method, though I agree that it doesn't really matter as long as it's clear.

But to get back to the actual topic of the thread, I'm thankful that Shanghai is going ahead with its expansion! Hopefully it's been going well; any reports on ease of use, whether the new transfer stations are convenient, etc.? With luck, this will serve as a model for China. Here in Beijing, the transfer stations have often been extremely poorly planned, meaning that getting from one line to another is a huge hassle; hopefully our southern neighbors can show us how to do it right!
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 04:00 PM   #723
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in a web blog, I read, that right now there are 14 (!) tunnel boring machines at work in Shanghai simultaniously to extend the subway system.

I have never ever heard of such a huge application at one time at a single place.
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Old January 2nd, 2008, 09:56 PM   #724
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Congratulations, Shanghai!
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Old January 3rd, 2008, 01:24 AM   #725
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Nice pictures. Line 6 looks awfully similar to Beijing's line 5.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 01:01 AM   #726
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Nice pictures. Line 6 looks awfully similar to Beijing's line 5.
Modern subway lines in China are all designed in the uniformaly plain HK MTR style.

It's the sterotypical extention of the lack of individual creativity in China's decision makers as well as designers. Its the fruit of modern Chinese culture set by its disfunctional educational system.


But then again, these stations are made to move people, not to be individual show pieces. They do their jobs well. Spectecular designs are only going to be trampled by millions of people who walk through the stations everyday anyways. Nobody'll ever stop to look at it.
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Old January 4th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #727
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Modern subway lines in China are all designed in the uniformaly plain HK MTR style.

It's the sterotypical extention of the lack of individual creativity in China's decision makers as well as designers. Its the fruit of modern Chinese culture set by its disfunctional educational system.


But then again, these stations are made to move people, not to be individual show pieces. They do their jobs well. Spectecular designs are only going to be trampled by millions of people who walk through the stations everyday anyways. Nobody'll ever stop to look at it.
I thought the trains were exactly the same down to the line colour. Its good to see expansion and I wouldn't think that its either they invest money in creativity or quantity. At this point, they need quantity over creativity for sure so I'm not surprised that the stations are built to move people. That said, the stations LOOK very modern, well constructed and of varied designs.
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Someone here has mentioned that the total length of Shanghai metro is 145 km which is not true. By now, it is already 227.1 km in total. The swiftness of its building drives me crazy
Both NYC and London are not the greatest system of urban rail transport. Tokyo is the first with no rivals at all in the foreseeing future.
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Someone here has mentioned that the total length of Shanghai metro is 145 km which is not true. By now, it is already 227.1 km in total. The swiftness of its building drives me crazy
Both NYC and London are not the greatest system of urban rail transport. Tokyo is the first with no rivals at all in the foreseeing future.
That's a very subjective view. Each have their good and bad points.
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Old January 7th, 2008, 04:48 PM   #731
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That's a very subjective view. Each have their good and bad points.
What do you mean by subjective and who or what has got + and -?
I was talking only about the dimensions of ewach system, and here Tokyo runs absolutly the first.
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What do you mean by subjective and who or what has got + and -?
I was talking only about the dimensions of ewach system, and here Tokyo runs absolutly the first.
You talked about the "greatest" transportation, not who has the most extensive rail system. Sorry, if you meant the most extensive (in length) then yes, you're right.
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Old January 8th, 2008, 10:49 AM   #733
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The lenght and the frequency as well. Althgough the frequency is definitely better in Moscow...
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Old January 19th, 2008, 01:41 PM   #734
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Could anyone tell me about the rolling stock used on new lines (6, 8 and 9)?
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Old January 19th, 2008, 03:26 PM   #735
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Is there a drive to make the Chinese behave better on the Shanghai subway? I went there and ended taking cabs after a few days because I couldn't deal with the pushing, the rudeness and disgusting attitude of the locals on the trains and stations.... I previously thought London was bad, but on London you would never witness someone pushing a woman carrying a baby, in Shanghai, yes.
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Old January 19th, 2008, 11:07 PM   #736
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But London is terrible with its low interiors, I have to bend low to get on, then I hate headways there as well as the price.
In Shanghai, apart from the pushing which is not so awful as you describe, everything is for the good.
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But London is terrible with its low interiors, I have to bend low to get on, then I hate headways there as well as the price.
London does have small trains, crap headways etc... but he wasn't even talking about headways or trains, he was talking about rude passengers.

And did you get an Oyster card or did you use Travelcards?
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Old January 20th, 2008, 04:43 PM   #738
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When I was in London, I took the tube occasionnaly, so every time it was just an ordinary ticket. But then I realized that if there was a company of 4 - 5 people, taxi cabs are cheaper, really.

In Shanghai, I used the metro every day and I really didn't notice the fact he described. People were not rude at all. The only thing that shocked me a little was that incoming passengers didn't wait for the others getting off and every time rushed into the train just after the doors opened. All the other was really good.
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Ordinary tickets are high to discourage their use... apparently.
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When I was in London, I took the tube occasionnaly, so every time it was just an ordinary ticket. But then I realized that if there was a company of 4 - 5 people, taxi cabs are cheaper, really.

In Shanghai, I used the metro every day and I really didn't notice the fact he described. People were not rude at all. The only thing that shocked me a little was that incoming passengers didn't wait for the others getting off and every time rushed into the train just after the doors opened. All the other was really good.
This is what really bugged me. Why the hell don't they wait for people to get off? You just slow the whole process down.

But this is China. In China people rush and ram in to anything like its the end of the world with no regard for anyone else. Stupidity or Culture?
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