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Old November 3rd, 2009, 12:49 AM   #1321
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Looks cool. Any photos of the interior?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:07 AM   #1322
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Well.. Here's the question. Why is that?

One would think a city the size of Shanghai would be using all articulated busses.
Or at least have a mixture of busses closer to that of Beijing.
U R right!Beijing`s buses now are almost articulated buses.It belongs to
different running system.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:24 AM   #1323
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Articulated buses used to be very ubiquitous in Shanghai during the 80's and 90's. I looked for some pictures but could not find any. They were these really cheap old buses with colored strips along its body. They were gradually phased out in the late 90's and early 2000's.
I will show U.
How can i use the upload pics function here?Or there are some limitations for
new guy?
I should declare following two nice pics were not taken by me,Thanx to these original authors!
appearance,the bus type is SK661F2,it was my favorite!

interior looking like this,actually,this bus was older than 661F2.but their interior
space were similar,only some details would be different.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:36 AM   #1324
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Looks cool. Any photos of the interior?
Yea,I got it.I will appreciate it if U can tell me how to use the function of
upload pics or U can explain to me why I can not use this function,may be
its limitation for new guy?

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Old November 3rd, 2009, 08:47 AM   #1325
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Nice buses! Shanghai grows rapidly,I think it will be not ten,but one thousand and ten articulated buses in a few years
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 03:34 PM   #1326
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Nice buses! Shanghai grows rapidly,I think it will be not ten,but one thousand and ten articulated buses in a few years
God bless it,I hope so too
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 06:32 PM   #1327
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Articulated buses used to be very ubiquitous in Shanghai during the 80's and 90's. I looked for some pictures but could not find any. They were these really cheap old buses with colored strips along its body. They were gradually phased out in the late 90's and early 2000's.
Yes but that still leaves my question.

Would it not be more efficient for the system if Shanghai used articulated busses instead of the ones they currently have?

What changed from the 90s to now? If anything, with more population, one would expect the busses to get bigger.

Or could this be another one of those, "lets do this because it's what the foreigners (Americans) do".
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 10:22 PM   #1328
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Unless they converted from articulated buses to Rail. Perhaps on the existing bus routes, a regular bus would suffice?

artics cost more to run and have less flexibility along narrow streets.

Dunno if this was the case, just a thought.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 12:24 AM   #1329
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There are many, many routes in Shanghai that could use the extra capacity of an articulated bus, given how crowded the busses always appear. I've always been surprised that there are so few articulateds in Shanghai.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 04:46 AM   #1330
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Yea,I got it.I will appreciate it if U can tell me how to use the function of
upload pics or U can explain to me why I can not use this function,may be
its limitation for new guy?
No one can upload photos onto the SSC forum, or else we would need a lot of space for our servers. You must do it through a third party uploader, like Flickr, Picasa (there's a special way getting it to work on Picasa), Imageshack, etc.

By the way, love the LED maps found on the buses. You see those on metros all the time, not so much on buses.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:49 AM   #1331
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Yes but that still leaves my question.

Would it not be more efficient for the system if Shanghai used articulated busses instead of the ones they currently have?

What changed from the 90s to now? If anything, with more population, one would expect the busses to get bigger.

Or could this be another one of those, "lets do this because it's what the foreigners (Americans) do".
What has changed? Well for one thing these old articulated buses were introduced back when there was no subway system. Even during the last days of these old buses, only line 1 was built. Now, with more people using the subway as their primary mode of transportation, buses have taken a secondary, usually feeder role. Not many people primarily use buses anymore, thereby reducing the demand for articulated buses
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Old November 4th, 2009, 05:51 AM   #1332
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Amazing how much changes in fifteen years!
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Old November 4th, 2009, 06:37 AM   #1333
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Yes but that still leaves my question.

Would it not be more efficient for the system if Shanghai used articulated busses instead of the ones they currently have?

What changed from the 90s to now? If anything, with more population, one would expect the busses to get bigger.

Or could this be another one of those, "lets do this because it's what the foreigners (Americans) do".
I think to answer this question may involve many factors.
The most defining factor is the bus running pattern.
What`s the difference between now and the past?It was a long story.
To be more patient,I will tell you the detail.
In 1996,Shanghai bus system and mechanism had been reformed enormously.
This reform was called the biggest change in the last century,so-called
96 Reform.Before 96 Reform, all buses as well as routes were operated by
one big company, below this company,may be a lot of smaller companies
affiliated to this big company,assuming responsibility for this big company.
At that time,Shanghai`s running buses were almost the articulated buses,
these buses were not run through self-service ticketing way. Usually, one
bus was set two ticket sellers. Their work were to sell the tickets for the
passengers. With the advent of 96 Reform, regarding market-centric
principle,reduce cost and bolster the effeciency. As a part of labor
cost,these bus ticket sellers were dismissed. Also these shabby old type,
front engine-driven articulated buses were gradually phased out. During
the transition, there were a few these old articulated buses survived for one or two years,
they were acted as quasi-self-service ticketing buses with a monitor (somethings like ticket seller)
in the second carriage. Passengers who get on the bus from the front door, the driver can
monitor them, whereas those from the back door, the monitor can watch them. From
this, it completed the whole ticket monitoring system without loophole. But all these entailed more
spend than single buses do. So shanghai chose to use the single buses.

Moreover,in the past,as lacking of metro system, and under the uniform bus
institution, they had no alternative but to use the articulated buses to solve
the tough problem of sharing public transport.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 06:53 AM   #1334
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Unless they converted from articulated buses to Rail. Perhaps on the existing bus routes, a regular bus would suffice?

artics cost more to run and have less flexibility along narrow streets.

Dunno if this was the case, just a thought.
I know,so a lot of British people go on the street holding
slogans in their hands:the ban on articulated bus. But the authority turned a blind
eye to these demonstrations and still to use the articulated buses.
I know some of the British roads are pretty narrow, moreover, the red
double-bus had been already become a metaphor to the British people.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 07:00 AM   #1335
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There are many, many routes in Shanghai that could use the extra capacity of an articulated bus, given how crowded the busses always appear. I've always been surprised that there are so few articulateds in Shanghai.
I think the authority should realize one thing nothing can be more significant
than benefiting people.Keep the balance seriously between money and
responsibility.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 07:11 AM   #1336
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No one can upload photos onto the SSC forum, or else we would need a lot of space for our servers. You must do it through a third party uploader, like Flickr, Picasa (there's a special way getting it to work on Picasa), Imageshack, etc.

By the way, love the LED maps found on the buses. You see those on metros all the time, not so much on buses.
Thanx.

Actually, these LED maps did not entail much more technological skills, it`s pretty simple. But gain a lot of profits.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 07:12 AM   #1337
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What has changed? Well for one thing these old articulated buses were introduced back when there was no subway system. Even during the last days of these old buses, only line 1 was built. Now, with more people using the subway as their primary mode of transportation, buses have taken a secondary, usually feeder role. Not many people primarily use buses anymore, thereby reducing the demand for articulated buses
It is right to some extent.I found you are pretty familiar with Shanghai`s culture.Have u ever been to Shanghai?
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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:09 AM   #1338
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Amazing how much changes in fifteen years!

It was just a miniature of the development of the country.
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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:32 AM   #1339
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I will update some pics of the bus`s daily running.

Geting on the articulated bus with low floor design will be much easier.






Joint organ! Pretty flexible and beautiful!


You can see the articulated bus driver was wiping among the no service conditions intervals.
Pretty indutrious! We must carry this kind of spirit forward.



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Old November 4th, 2009, 08:32 PM   #1340
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I tried to hold it and not to ask,but... I must ask this question: there was told,that the motor of this bus in an original MAN's product;due to this I suppose that the whole construction is also... legal (I mean,that shown above bus is a MADE IN CHINA,LICENSED NEOPLAN CENTROLINER)?
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