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Old November 5th, 2009, 05:18 AM   #1341
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I tried to hold it and not to ask,but... I must ask this question: there was told,that the motor of this bus in an original MAN's product;due to this I suppose that the whole construction is also... legal (I mean,that shown above bus is a MADE IN CHINA,LICENSED NEOPLAN CENTROLINER)?
yes,you are right!
Qingnian cooperated with Neoplan. Actually, the original Neoplan`s products were all but equiped with MAN`s
engines. Neoplan is affiliated to MAN now.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 06:31 AM   #1342
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Wow nice bus!! I love Artuculated buses too!!!
And that change just in 15 years are amazing!!!
Nice Thread!!
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Old November 5th, 2009, 08:08 PM   #1343
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yes,you are right!
Qingnian cooperated with Neoplan. Actually, the original Neoplan`s products were all but equiped with MAN`s
engines. Neoplan is affiliated to MAN now.
Yes,I know that Neoplan joined MAN:

As you can see,both names are visible on the front wall
But I thought about... nevermind
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Old November 6th, 2009, 06:38 AM   #1344
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Yes,I know that Neoplan joined MAN:

As you can see,both names are visible on the front wall
But I thought about... nevermind
The key is that Neoplan authorized Qingnian to use its appearance structure
design.
As for the brand mark on the bus`s front wall, can be either attached
Qingnian or Neoplan. Actually, it was Neoplan`s segment, the major
difference is that it was assembled by Qingnian.
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Old November 6th, 2009, 06:57 AM   #1345
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Following pics you can see the NEOPLAN brand upon the No.1 door.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 05:30 PM   #1346
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I think, Shanghai really needs articulated busses as the traffic is enormous. I agree they are more costly in use but still these costs are lower then the salary you have to pay to a driver. So, let's say in fact 2 articulated busses will be much more effective than 3 standard ones.

ILAB, thank you for the thread. I've been to Shanghai and I know things out there.
Can you tell me which boroughs do they operate in?

P.S. To all. Yes, Shaghai doesn't have many articulated busses yet it has pretty many double-deckers.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 10:37 PM   #1347
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Did he clean the whole bus with that cloth?
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Old November 8th, 2009, 10:48 PM   #1348
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There is actually another batch of articulated buses in Songjiang District southwest of downtown Shanghai. Those buses were mainly used on Songjiang Route 18 to transport students within the campuses of a multi university complex.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 06:28 AM   #1349
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Did he clean the whole bus with that cloth?
Exectly not. The whole bus cleaning procedure always use machine,after a
day of running, the bus went to the buses parking area.

The driver only intended to sweep some dirt during his break,in an effort to
keep the bus look nice and clean.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 06:40 AM   #1350
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I think, Shanghai really needs articulated busses as the traffic is enormous. I agree they are more costly in use but still these costs are lower then the salary you have to pay to a driver. So, let's say in fact 2 articulated busses will be much more effective than 3 standard ones.

ILAB, thank you for the thread. I've been to Shanghai and I know things out there.
Can you tell me which boroughs do they operate in?

P.S. To all. Yes, Shaghai doesn't have many articulated busses yet it has pretty many double-deckers.

My pleasure, Thank you for your support. It will be my best impetus.

All the articulated bus serve under No.85, headed to lujiazui and changdao Rd, in Pu dong new district, 2010 Shanghai Expo will be held there.

As for double-deckers, the quantity is just a bit more than the bandy buses.
May be 50 in all? 60? I don`t know, but one thing can be certained, the quantity figure is miserably few.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 06:41 AM   #1351
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There is actually another batch of articulated buses in Songjiang District southwest of downtown Shanghai. Those buses were mainly used on Songjiang Route 18 to transport students within the campuses of a multi university complex.
yeah, that`s right.
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Old November 9th, 2009, 06:05 PM   #1352
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I'm surprised by the livery! Chennai MTC volvos have exactly the same livery.
Is it juzz a coincidence?



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Old November 10th, 2009, 06:15 AM   #1353
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Very interesting thread, ILAB! Thanks for sharing.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 03:28 PM   #1354
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Shanghai has Volvo B7RLEs bodied by Sunwinbus (the new name for the Shanghai trolleybus factory). The design of the body is almost identical to the Chennai Volvos, so it looks as if Sunwinbus is perhaps helping the Indian coachbuilder.

Maybe someone in the Indian bus thread will know more.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 04:05 PM   #1355
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awh, I have seen the pics out of some threads.
As for Indian livery appearance design is accord with Shanghai`s, I do not know,
maybe it is difficult to explain clearly by one or two words.
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Old November 11th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #1356
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ILAB,I wonder why there is so few 18m busses in Shanghai?We all kno it's one of the world's greatest metro areas!I remember that even Shanghai's Translohr is very short:


I know there is a large trolleybus net in your city (you're from Shanghai,am I right?).Maybe this trolleybus would suitable:

But maybe the frequency of city transport lines is so high that there is no need of more capable busses and trolleybusses;it seems to be possible for example due to number of Tb lines (15) and number of Trolleybusses in use (ca.900)?Could you answer this question?
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Old November 12th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #1357
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Responding to the question why there are so few articulated buses in Shanghai - there are a few factors why it is so.

Before the mid-90s articulated buses were dreadfully underpowered. Streets in the old parts of Shanghai were/are quite narrow and articulated buses were seen as being inflexible. In those days buses used truck chassis - they had high floor and a front-mounted engine. Rear-engined articulated buses were simply unaffordable in those days so rigids became the fashion. For a long time articulated buses were still seen as outdated, while rigid buses improved by leaps and bounds.

At the turn of the century low-floor rear-engined articulated buses started to appear in the market. They were very expensive due to the complex hydraulic system needed for the joint, so only a handful of cities bought small numbers of them, usually as a show-case and heavily subsidised by the government. It doesn't really make sense to mix high- and low-end parts so for a very long time there was no standard-floor articulated bus. The price of the joint mechanism probably has dropped slightly and Beijing now has a sizable fleet of standard-floor bendy buses.

There's a certain (growing) degree of protectionism in Shanghai's bus operation. Shanghai's own Sunwin is quite conservative and stagnated and to this date there's no model of a rear-engined bendy bus. The city council has never been keen on articulated buses, partly because of the old perceptions of them, so actually it's not in Sunwin's interest to develop something that's not going to be sold. Though credit where credit is due, Sunwin has released a model of a mid-engined artic but I don't see any large numbers going on the streets any time soon.
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Old November 25th, 2009, 08:21 PM   #1358
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I snuck in to the line 7 station at Changshu road today to take some pictures. I got chased out by the security guard and only got a few blurry pictures. The station is complete and they even have the ticket machines installed. According to the security guard, line 7 will open on Nov. 29 this Sunday!!! It looks ready to go, however I think they are still working on some exits, as there is only one new exit for line 7 on Changshu road.
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Old November 26th, 2009, 12:43 AM   #1359
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Yeah, it looks to me like Line 7 is almost ready to go. I go past Dong'an Road on Line 4 on my commute every day, and yesterday it seemed like they had started taking down some of the construction hoarding on the platform around the new entrance down to Line 7. Can't wait!
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Old November 26th, 2009, 09:27 AM   #1360
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Ill post pics this Sunday it it opens.
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