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Old January 21st, 2010, 10:22 PM   #1401
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Nice pictures. The running way should have been built all concrete. The asphalt is going to wear out really quick.
Exactly. It's much heavier than a bus and the wheels are always on the same line. Besides, you have to stick with only one company and that's not even guaranteed that the company exists in, let's say, 20 years. With trams there is no fear of having trouble finding new vehicles. Has anyone got information about the cost of building translohr line vs. tram line?
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Old January 21st, 2010, 10:33 PM   #1402
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According to law it seems to be a bus – it has a numberplate.

P. S.: German wikipedia calls it a "guided trolley bus".
In Clermont-ferrand, there isn't any numberplate on it, so it must be a tram in France and a bus in China.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 10:57 PM   #1403
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It's not a tram. It's a guided trolley bus. It can get away with using one wire, since the vehicle is in constant contact with the guiderail. But it's not a tram. Far from it.
Rebasepoiss: Yep. Plus the maintenance cost to maintain a hybrid vehicle would be high.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:05 PM   #1404
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It's clearly a tram. It needs to be guided all the time, there are heads on both extremities. If Translhor is not a tram, then, many métro in Paris, Lyon, Marseille and Montreal are not métro.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 11:22 PM   #1405
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The Translohrs in France and Italy are legally considered trams (instead the TVRs aren't).

Rubber tyred metro in Paris, Lyon, Marseille and Montreal are railways, because they have also steel wheels and could run on standard railway tracks without the tyres (and do that in depots). VAL system are not traditional railways, but are considered metro.

Translohrs are trams in the sense of "guided urban transport running on streets", but aren't conventional trains (normal tram lines are railways).
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:01 AM   #1406
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The Translohrs in France and Italy are legally considered trams (instead the TVRs aren't).

Rubber tyred metro in Paris, Lyon, Marseille and Montreal are railways, because they have also steel wheels and could run on standard railway tracks without the tyres (and do that in depots). VAL system are not traditional railways, but are considered metro.

Translohrs are trams in the sense of "guided urban transport running on streets", but aren't conventional trains (normal tram lines are railways).
But why needs the Translohr in France no numberplate, but the TVR in Caen needs one? The TVR in Caen can't leave the rail too, like the Translohr?

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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:12 AM   #1407
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TVR can leave the rail in Caen too. They do it at the end of the service and when there are problems on the rail.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:28 AM   #1408
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The number plates on Shanghai Translohr are not bus number plates. They are not even official vehicle plates.

In China, all buses use yellow utility Vehicle plates, and the number begins with shortened province name (e.g. 沪 (Hu) instead of full name 上海 (Shanghai)).

So these plates on Translohr are not official vehicle number plates.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:33 AM   #1409
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I don't have anything good to say about the type of technology or its usefulness.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:56 AM   #1410
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But why needs the Translohr in France no numberplate, but the TVR in Caen needs one? The TVR in Caen can't leave the rail too, like the Translohr?
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TVR can leave the rail in Caen too. They do it at the end of the service and when there are problems on the rail.
Exactly: the TVR is legally considered a bus (and is limited to 25 m) the Translohr is legally regsitered as a tramway (and has not limitations in length).

By the way the firsts prototypes of Translohr could travel without the rail.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 12:59 AM   #1411
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The number plates on Shanghai Translohr are not bus number plates. They are not even official vehicle plates.

In China, all buses use yellow utility Vehicle plates, and the number begins with shortened province name (e.g. 沪 (Hu) instead of full name 上海 (Shanghai)).

So these plates on Translohr are not official vehicle number plates.
You beat me to it.

The Chinese name for this tram is 有轨电车 which literally means 'electric vehicle with rail(s)'.

Great pictures, Ode. I'll have to get out to ZhangJiang sometime to try this one out.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 06:41 AM   #1412
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Would you be able to see these vehicles when you step out of the last station of line 2?
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 09:26 AM   #1413
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Would you be able to see these vehicles when you step out of the last station of line 2?
It is right below the elevated station of Line 2.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 07:15 PM   #1414
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TVR can leave the rail in Caen too. They do it at the end of the service and when there are problems on the rail.
The Caen vehicle cannot leave the guideway. Where is the current going to go? The vehicles in the Nancy can leave the rail, as the vehicle collects power from dual overhead wires, ala a trolleybus.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 08:04 PM   #1415
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The TVR vehicles in Caen have diesel engines. See the Wikipedia entry.
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Old January 22nd, 2010, 10:08 PM   #1416
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ah, ok.

I meant coming off the guideral while still connected to the OCS.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 12:45 AM   #1417
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Tha Caen TVR runs only by electricity during regular service and uses diesel only to go to the depot, that has not any rail.
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Old January 23rd, 2010, 01:42 AM   #1418
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Why are you guys discussing the classification? kind o pointless. anyway...

It seems like biggest advantage of this type of transports is regular vehicles can use the same road with the tram/bus. It might be good for relatively short distance routes where rider numbers do not justify a subway but higher than a bus line can handle.
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Does anyone know what will be done with the current elevated terminus of Line 2 once the extension to Pudong Airport is complete? IIRC, they are replacing the elevated Zhangjiang High Technology Park Station with a new underground station, so does this mean the current station will no longer be used? If so, will it be demolished? And if that's so, why on Earth was it built elevated in the first place, given that it was only built a few years ago - wouldn't they have had the long term plans for the extension to Pudong Airport already on the books at that time.

Also, it seems based on a news report I saw on the Metro last week that Line 11, 9 (Phase 2) and 7 will be open for full operation by the end of the month (if I understood the Chinese correctly, anyway. )
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Why are you guys discussing the classification? kind o pointless. anyway...
The prototype Translohr was classified as bus, and was limited to 25 m, but was able to run without the rail. The serie's vehicles are classified as tramways, and thus don't have limits in length, but can't run without the rail. So the classification isn't pointless.

The Translohr costs about the same as a tramway but carries less people (it's narrrower) and is build only by one constructor. If Lohr decides to not built anymore this system, it will be impossible to buy new vehicles and so extending existing lines. This is exactly what happened with the TVR: in Caen they are surcharged and want extending the system but they can't build new vehicles for a reasonable price.
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