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Old January 23rd, 2010, 04:52 PM   #1421
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I'm interested to know what the advantages are over a conventional tram system. Obviously if only one manufacturer can make the vehicles that's an obvious disadvantage, so why do these systems get constructed? Presumably when feasibility studies are done planners must see some good reason, but I'm struggling to see it myself.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 01:10 AM   #1422
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Is a map available for the system? In which district of Shanghai does it run?
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Old January 24th, 2010, 01:30 AM   #1423
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imo this system is such an unbelievable crap.....but well---if the shanghai government wants it, then they should go for it.
In 10 years from now they will replace it either by a bus, or more likely, by a real tram.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 01:47 AM   #1424
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I'm interested to know what the advantages are over a conventional tram system.
There aren't: costs are similar or higher than a tramway, especially for maintenance, and the claimed ability of the Translohr to climb a 13% slope is often useless as trams can climb the 10%, that is enough for most cities.
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Old January 24th, 2010, 06:52 AM   #1425
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Is a map available for the system? In which district of Shanghai does it run?
Here is the map. The Translohr Tram is running entirely in the township of Zhangjiang, which is designated as a high tech industrial park, in the heartland of Pudong (east shore of River Huangpu) New District. Translohr tram is about 9 km in total length.



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Old January 24th, 2010, 05:51 PM   #1426
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Thanks for posting the map! So for mere mortals, it starts from Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park station, terminus of metro line 2. That's only one metro station away from Longyang Road maglev stop. Too bad I didn't know of it when I had a stopover in Shanghai in December!
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Old January 24th, 2010, 07:32 PM   #1427
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Thanks for posting the map! So for mere mortals, it starts from Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park station, terminus of metro line 2. That's only one metro station away from Longyang Road maglev stop. Too bad I didn't know of it when I had a stopover in Shanghai in December!
Yes, Longyang Road now is also a subway interchange station with line 7. Wouldn't it be nice if line 2, line 7, Translohr, and Mag-lev are all together.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 07:14 AM   #1428
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Thanks for the pictures but please edit the size so this thread isn't so difficult to load. Or just post 3 or 4 pictures.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 01:55 PM   #1429
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One of the 'regrets' I have for the Shanghai Metro is that they didn't opt for high capacity 3.2m wide rolling stock on lines 1 and 2.
The fact that the train is wider doesn't necessarily mean the whole line capacity will be higher. I think shorter headways are a better solution.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 06:37 PM   #1430
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The fact that the train is wider doesn't necessarily mean the whole line capacity will be higher. I think shorter headways are a better solution.
headways are already at technically achieveable minimal during peak hours.

The tunnels and station platforms weren't built for 3.2M trains, so any growth in capacity will involve unrealisticly large investments in both time and money and therefore, probably won't happen.
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Old January 25th, 2010, 09:26 PM   #1431
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The fact that the train is wider doesn't necessarily mean the whole line capacity will be higher. I think shorter headways are a better solution.
There's something called ceteris paribus and something else called economies of scale...
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Old January 25th, 2010, 10:42 PM   #1432
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headways are already at technically achieveable minimal during peak hours.

The tunnels and station platforms weren't built for 3.2M trains, so any growth in capacity will involve unrealisticly large investments in both time and money and therefore, probably won't happen.
Do you mean 5 minutes during rush hour is the technically achievable minimal headway? I don't think so. There are examples in the world with 85 - 90 seconds headways.

I agree that it will be worth too much to enlarge tunnels and other infrastructure but I don't consider this.
However, larger and wider trains are heavier and, as a result, they would require more energy to accelerate, more powerful engines and more efficient brake system.

And we shouldn't leave out such performance as train's commercial speed. Heavier trains usually are slower in this respect.
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Old January 26th, 2010, 12:16 AM   #1433
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Do you mean 5 minutes during rush hour is the technically achievable minimal headway? I don't think so. There are examples in the world with 85 - 90 seconds headways.
Line 1 is already operating at close to 90 second headways at rush hour, and Line 2 headways are also significantly less than 5 minutes.

However, I think that the additional capacity for Line 1 and 2 will not come from expanding these lines, but rather from the additional north-south and east-west capacities added by Lines 7 and 10, which should reduce the rush hour crush on lines 1 and 2.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 03:29 PM   #1434
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Im pretty sure that during the day line 2 comes every 2.5 minutes? I never had to wait more than 3 minutes for line 2 during daytime and evening.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 04:33 PM   #1435
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Whoever changed the title of this thread got it wrong - there is no Shanghai Subway. The English translation of the name of the system is Shanghai METRO. Other Chinese cities may translate the Chinese word 地铁 as 'Subway' (such as Beijing) but Shanghai translates it as 'Metro'. Please change the title of this thread to reflect the proper name of the system and avoid confusion. Thanks.
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Old February 7th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #1436
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Line 2 operates at about just over every 3 minutes during peaks:

http://www.shmetro.com/node41/node46.../con100173.htm

Edit: P.S. Agree with the Chemist on thread title.
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Whoever changed the title of this thread got it wrong - there is no Shanghai Subway. The English translation of the name of the system is Shanghai METRO. Other Chinese cities may translate the Chinese word 地铁 as 'Subway' (such as Beijing) but Shanghai translates it as 'Metro'. Please change the title of this thread to reflect the proper name of the system and avoid confusion. Thanks.
and i thought Metro is more or less just the French way of saying... well... subway. It's a circle of indifference.
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Old February 9th, 2010, 03:26 PM   #1438
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Old February 10th, 2010, 11:27 AM   #1439
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Is there no mention of when the next lines will open?

The habit of vague opening dates always struck me as disorganized.
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Old February 13th, 2010, 11:27 PM   #1440
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Line 7 and Line 9 phase II will launch full time operation on the first working day after the Lunar New Year. Starting February 20th, Line 7 and Line 9 (Yishan Road ~ Century Avenue stretch 宜山路至世纪大道段) will operate at normal business hours. In Shanghai, normal metro business hours means from 5:30 to 22:30.

Line 11 will not launch normal business hour operation though, this line will continue to operate from 9:00 to 16:00 under the term test operation.
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