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Old April 18th, 2010, 05:24 AM   #1621
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Old April 18th, 2010, 05:44 AM   #1622
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Old April 18th, 2010, 07:04 AM   #1623
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Great stations! And great pics of them, thanks!
The indication arrows on the floor are a smart solution!
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Old April 18th, 2010, 01:58 PM   #1624
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Awesome pics man

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Here the train is not precisely aligned with the platform screen doors. Are these trains operated manually or with ATO ?

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Why one of the seats is differently coloured ? It it reserved seat ?
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Old April 18th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #1625
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Old April 18th, 2010, 10:54 PM   #1626
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Nice pictures, thanks for sharing.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 04:40 AM   #1627
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Here the train is not precisely aligned with the platform screen doors. Are these trains operated manually or with ATO ?
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Old April 19th, 2010, 04:48 AM   #1628
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uh oh uh oh, the sinophobes will be so disappointed when they see traditional characters are not banned in the mainland :P
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Old April 19th, 2010, 05:04 AM   #1629
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Shanghai metro is beautiful, and Yantze Delta Region where it seems booming more so that Manila and Seoul's spooky part.

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Old April 19th, 2010, 05:31 AM   #1630
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Actually, I'm pretty sure it's automatic. I've stood behind the driver's door on the Alstom trains used on Line 1 (basically the same model as on Line 10, just slightly narrower) and watched the driver of the train through the window (only able to see above ground because of the smoked glass) - he basically did nothing for the entire journey between stations. The train appeared to be running almost completely automatically. I'd imagine Line 10 is the same.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 11:04 AM   #1631
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Actually, I'm pretty sure it's automatic. I've stood behind the driver's door on the Alstom trains used on Line 1 (basically the same model as on Line 10, just slightly narrower) and watched the driver of the train through the window (only able to see above ground because of the smoked glass) - he basically did nothing for the entire journey between stations. The train appeared to be running almost completely automatically. I'd imagine Line 10 is the same.
Automatic train operation does not depends on the kind of the train. It does not comes pre-installed in the train. It is lines, which are automated and not the trains. If line 1 is automated, it does not means that line 10 will be automated if it uses the same rolling stock.

Many times the decisions to have ATO depends on the required capacity of the line. ATO increases the maximum possible frequency and hence the capacity.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #1632
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Automatic train operation does not depends on the kind of the train. It does not comes pre-installed in the train. It is lines, which are automated and not the trains. If line 1 is automated, it does not means that line 10 will be automated if it uses the same rolling stock.

Many times the decisions to have ATO depends on the required capacity of the line. ATO increases the maximum possible frequency and hence the capacity.
Well, given the wider rolling stock on Line 10 compared to Line 1, I'd say that it was designed for at least as high capacity as Line 1. So I'd say it's likely that ATO is on Line 10 if it is, as I suspect, also on Line 1.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 05:36 PM   #1633
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Well, given the wider rolling stock on Line 10 compared to Line 1, I'd say that it was designed for at least as high capacity as Line 1. So I'd say it's likely that ATO is on Line 10 if it is, as I suspect, also on Line 1.
High capacity is one of the reason but not the only reason. You need to confirm from some media source to find that it is ATO or not (metro websites generally don't tell these things). I doubted because the train was not precisely aligned with the PSDs, which is not the case in ATO. Or may be the line has ATO but the trains were operated manually at that time because of some glitch.
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ATO is standard on Shanghai Metro, but when new lines open there is usually a period of manual operation. Local sources seem to suggest line 10 is currently manually operated. Alignment with platform screen doors isn't the only problem - less-than-smooth acceleration and deceleration has also been reported.
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Old April 19th, 2010, 08:18 PM   #1635
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Well, given the wider rolling stock on Line 10 compared to Line 1, I'd say that it was designed for at least as high capacity as Line 1. So I'd say it's likely that ATO is on Line 10 if it is, as I suspect, also on Line 1.
Line 10 has wider rolling stock? I remember reading a couple of years back that Line 10 trains would be 3.2m wide, is that true? They don't look wider than the trains on Line 1...
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ATO is standard on Shanghai Metro, but when new lines open there is usually a period of manual operation. Local sources seem to suggest line 10 is currently manually operated.
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Alignment with platform screen doors isn't the only problem - less-than-smooth acceleration and deceleration has also been reported.
Acceleration is equally smooth in manually operated and automatically operated lines/trains, that's what I have experienced here in Delhi after using different lines many times. It is because while accelerating, the operator has just to push the lever so as to constantly accelerate the train, while slowing down, the operator has to make sure that he stops the train at exact place. Because of this he drives cautiously with variable deceleration leading to jerky feeling.
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Why so ?
It's the period of trial operation, when things perhaps aren't 'quite ready' and teething troubles are experienced with signalling etc.

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Acceleration is equally smooth in manually operated and automatically operated lines/trains, that's what I have experienced here in Delhi after using different lines many times. It is because while accelerating, the operator has just to push the lever so as to constantly accelerate the train, while slowing down, the operator has to make sure that he stops the train at exact place. Because of this he drives cautiously with variable deceleration leading to jerky feeling.
That bit may be true.

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Line 10 has wider rolling stock? I remember reading a couple of years back that Line 10 trains would be 3.2m wide, is that true? They don't look wider than the trains on Line 1...
I think they finally settled with standard loading gauge stock 3m wide.
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It's the period of trial operation, when things perhaps aren't 'quite ready' and teething troubles are experienced with signalling etc.
Trial operation usually start a month before completion of a line, isn't it ?

Or they look for full scale real time trial during first few months ?

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I think they finally settled with standard loading gauge stock 3m wide.
What is the usual width of rolling stock in Shanghai. I guess all the lines have standard gauge ?
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Trial operation usually start a month before completion of a line, isn't it ?

Or they look for full scale real time trial during first few months ?
Line 10 is only operating 0900-1600, with a frequency of every 8 minutes (compared with the standard every 3 minutes). Lines 7, 11 and extension of 9 that opened earlier this year started like this too. This really is a compromise solution, as the openings of these lines have all been rushed. Having a 9-16 reduced frequency trial operation gives the impression of a nice early opening date while not jeopardising safety.

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What is the usual width of rolling stock in Shanghai. I guess all the lines have standard gauge ?
Most lines have the 3m wide stock, but lines 5, 6 and 8 that were done on the cheap and some future outer orbital lines use a smaller stock which are IIRC 2.6m wide.
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Line 10 is only operating 0900-1600, with a frequency of every 8 minutes (compared with the standard every 3 minutes). Lines 7, 11 and extension of 9 that opened earlier this year started like this too. This really is a compromise solution, as the openings of these lines have all been rushed. Having a 9-16 reduced frequency trial operation gives the impression of a nice early opening date while not jeopardising safety.
That explains it. Only few days left for expo now :O. But it was still a commendable performance to build so many lines in short time and on schedule.
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