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Old January 22nd, 2006, 03:47 PM   #161
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 06:39 PM   #162
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 06:42 PM   #163
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Why did not build subway systems like Moscow and other Soviet cities? Or I guess why didn't China build subways like their European communist counterparts?
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 07:50 PM   #164
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Looks like its modelled on the Moscow metro system, which doens't suprise me.
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 07:59 PM   #165
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Why did not build subway systems like Moscow and other Soviet cities? Or I guess why didn't China build subways like their European communist counterparts?
why should China copy other subways?? they know to built such systems in their own way, and they do it well. vide: Guangzhou, Hong-Kong, Shenzhen, Wuhan and so on
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 08:06 PM   #166
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Looks like its modelled on the Moscow metro system, which doens't suprise me.


I see more British influence, especially with the yellow line joining the purple, circular line, very reminiscent of lines coming of the circle line in London.
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 08:15 PM   #167
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260 new stations? Wtf? That can't be right, even with transfer points counted as two stations. 260 altogether sounds more like it.

I rarely find the metro to be that "hellacious", but then again I usually ride Line Two, which has the least traffic of all the lines. Line Three, the elevated rail line, is notably worse, especially since one disembarks on alternating sides of the train. Squeezing from one side to the other while battling the influx of new passengers is a harrowing experience. Also, the trains are not nearly as bad as the buses.
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 08:16 PM   #168
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 08:20 PM   #169
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Can I get this in English please?
I've never seen that map in English, sorry.
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 09:01 PM   #170
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That is amazing growth!!
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 09:17 PM   #171
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China and its cities are still on a learning process. There are many huge and beautiful projects that fail to attract people and end up being money drains, and there are still many old, poorly developed areas that are completely unable to control the enormous flow of people. But they are beginning to learn how to do things right, and I hope Shanghai's railways will be developed prudently.
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 09:53 PM   #172
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No, my question wasn't which city the subway was modeled on, but rather, why it took so long for Shanghai to build subway in the first place, when most other communist countries had their major cities fitted with subways decades ago (Moscow, Kiev, Pyongyang, etc.).
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No, my question wasn't which city the subway was modeled on, but rather, why it took so long for Shanghai to build subway in the first place, when most other communist countries had their major cities fitted with subways decades ago (Moscow, Kiev, Pyongyang, etc.).
They were significantly poorer. Even after a decade of high growth, China is barely even half as wealthy as Russia, and Russia's wealth fell (at least in aggregate terms) as a result of the collapse of the Soviet Union
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 10:44 PM   #174
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No, my question wasn't which city the subway was modeled on, but rather, why it took so long for Shanghai to build subway in the first place, when most other communist countries had their major cities fitted with subways decades ago (Moscow, Kiev, Pyongyang, etc.).
This is a question that you should ask Mao Tzetung, why did he decide to bring China into such a disaster-ridden state?

Shanghai and neighboring Jiangsu and Zhejiang Provinces have always been the granary of China, especially Shanghai, like the eldest daughter of the family who has so many siblings to look after, during the era of planned economy, Shanghai alone contributed as much 20% of the national GDP. With all that fat and grease expropriated by Beijing, Shanghai didn't have much left for her own dowry.

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Old January 22nd, 2006, 11:08 PM   #175
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^ ^ That's true. I guess they didn't get money aid from the Soviet Union like the Eastern Europeans did.

^Unfortunately, Mao and I don't talk to each other anymore.
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Old January 22nd, 2006, 11:46 PM   #176
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^ ^ That's true. I guess they didn't get money aid from the Soviet Union like the Eastern Europeans did.
wtf!!
where's that info from??!!
Soviet Union rather stohle than gave something. do you know where all the machines, rail tracks, etc. after WW2 came to? few decades long the eastern european country did 'sell' things to SU for rubles, that counted as much as the paper they were from. they gave maybe some tanks or kalashnikows and their soldiers that did life and eat here, for nothing, just because they were 'brothers'.
SU didn't give money to anybody.
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Old January 23rd, 2006, 04:10 AM   #177
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Amazing!!
Shanghai will be the city with the biggest metro network, with the permission of New York and London.
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Old January 23rd, 2006, 11:28 AM   #178
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Looks good. Very well planned.
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Old January 23rd, 2006, 11:32 AM   #179
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Oh man that's massive! Reminds me of those metro maps of Tokyo or Mexico City!
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Old January 23rd, 2006, 02:06 PM   #180
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Does anyone have a map that just shows future metro lines cause that above map includes 5 light-rail lines (L1-5) and I thought the R-lines are commuter services lines?
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