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Old October 2nd, 2010, 02:13 PM   #1801
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Yeah I bring up the other cities because I've brought this point up before but people are like, "oh don't worry, I'm sure planners would come up with a massive suburban rail plan once the current 900+ km metro is realized". Unfortunately, there has been no mention of a suburban rail and IMO, it seems very likely that the 900+ km is the end all and be all especially since other cities that have an intention of building suburban rail have already made it evident. I mean Nanjing or Ningbo!?!?! Seriously?!? There is more need for suburban rail in Nanjing and Ningbo than Shanghai? What are they thinking?
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 02:52 PM   #1802
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I believe line 21, currently U/C, will act more like a suburban rail than like a metro. It goes too far from the city centre. Same with line 20, which I believe construction is starting soon; and line 19.
But it is also true that almost the entire Shanghai territory is part of a district. Only Chongming island is a county.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 07:24 PM   #1803
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@drunkenmunkey888 and CNGL

First of all, the intercity HSR should have acted like commuter rail in some sense. But they didn't because too few trains stop at small stations and the fare scares commuters away.

Line 21 will have regular and express services, and the express service is kinda like commuter rail(is actually the same as the express service by many subway systems but let's think of it in another way, it will take about 30 minutes for the fastest train to run the whole line). As for Line 19 and 20, I think those are just regular subway lines in the suburban area.

A real commuter rail from suburban Jinshan District to Shanghai South Railway Station is currently U/C (or being upgraded), and will open next year. It will be Shanghai's first commuter rail. It is assumed to be named Line 22, but that is not 100% certain. It is still not clear how this will be operated--maybe jointly operated by MOR and SH Metro, since both have interests in this line.

But seriously this is not enough. Shanghai indeed nees more commuter rail in the suburban area. It's quite complicated though, things are not always considered purely based on economic concerns. It is hard to imagine that on the border of Shanghai and Jiangsu Province, towns in Jiangsu side look more developed than towns in Shanghai side, but that is true.
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Old October 2nd, 2010, 08:50 PM   #1804
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But I believe that line 22 is going to be the North extension of line 5 and the South one of line 1... The line 5 North is sure that may be named line 22...
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 12:09 PM   #1805
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What Shanghai needs is a comprehensive network of lines (don't care if lines are operated by SHMetro or MOR) that cover all surrounding towns, not just the big district centres like Songjiang and Qingpu, but also smaller ones like Waigang and Zhaoxiang. Lines reaching to towns outside of the city boundary would be nice too.
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 01:47 PM   #1806
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@drunkenmunkey888 and CNGL

First of all, the intercity HSR should have acted like commuter rail in some sense. But they didn't because too few trains stop at small stations and the fare scares commuters away.
When on 20th instant Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed railway shall open, how many stations are in Shanghai?
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Old October 3rd, 2010, 11:40 PM   #1807
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Shanghai South / Hongqiao - Xinzhuang (?) - Songjiang - Fengjing I think.
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Old October 4th, 2010, 01:06 AM   #1808
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No station at Xinzhuang. Just Hongqiao, Songjiang South and Jinshan North.
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Old October 4th, 2010, 09:30 AM   #1809
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No station at Xinzhuang. Just Hongqiao, Songjiang South and Jinshan North.
When shall Shanghai Metro Line 9 open between Songjiang New Town and Songjiang South?
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Old October 4th, 2010, 09:54 AM   #1810
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When shall Shanghai Metro Line 9 open between Songjiang New Town and Songjiang South?
not sure, maybe the end of 2012
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Old October 12th, 2010, 07:23 PM   #1811
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The project extending Line 11 to Huaqiao, Kunshan, Jiangsu Province has passed the environmental evaluation:
http://hps.mep.gov.cn/jsxmhbys/nysxm...727_192671.htm
I hope it will get approved soon. Here is the route:
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The extension is now officially approved by the National Development and Reform Commission. Construction will start by the end of this year and is expected to be completed by 2012. It is about 6 km long, and will have three new stations.

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Shanghai Metro Line 11 is planned to be connected with the rail transit system in Suzhou by the planned S1 line in Kunshan.
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #1812
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Let's hope the first cross-border metro from Shanghai will go ahead smoothly!
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Old October 13th, 2010, 01:22 PM   #1813
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Let's hope the first cross-border metro from Shanghai will go ahead smoothly!
Are there any plans for Jiaxing metro?
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Old October 22nd, 2010, 10:37 PM   #1814
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new daily ridership record set on 22nd

After a record of 7.152 million was set on last friday, and a weekend record of 6.942 million on last Saturday (1.03 million visited the EXPO park...), a new record is set today. The number has exceeded 7.5 million, and final number will be available later.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 07:09 AM   #1815
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final number of ridership on 22nd

Total : 7.548 m

Line 1: 1.34 m
Line 2: 1.35 m
Line 3: 0.57 m
Line 4: 0.89 m *
Line 5: 0.14 m
Line 6: 0.30 m *
Line 7: 0.71 m *
Line 8: 0.87 m *
Line 9: 0.58 m *
Line 10:0.34 m
Line 11:0.21 m
Line 13:0.24 m

Interchange: 2.742 m

*: new record for individual line
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 07:27 AM   #1816
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the record may last for a while since Oct 24 is the last day of Expo general tickets. Line 10 extension to Hongqiao airport will open next week, which will push everyday load a bit higher, but not up to the Expo peak time level.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 12:02 PM   #1817
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Wow, 7.5 million.

On Dec 31 2008 they reached 4.31m as a record, and 6.03 million on May 21 2010.

After the 2012 openings (over 100km) I bet they'll break the 10 million milestone.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 01:00 PM   #1818
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Ridership figure in Shanghai metro is fast inching towards Tokyo metro.

I think this figure of 7.5 million counts the individuals changing lines twice or thrice depending on the no. of lines used ? What would be the no. of actual trips if we count a person using multiple lines as one single trip ?
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 01:49 PM   #1819
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Shanghai has no way to check if a traveller uses more than one line.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 02:46 PM   #1820
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So that means 7.5 million is actual number of users.

There was a discussion in some thread which I don't remember (maybe this thread itself), where somebody said that total no. is arrived at after adding all the users in individual lines which leads to duplication. I suggested that a person passes only twice through fare collection gates (entry and exit), so how is it possible to know a particular person used how many lines and what combination of lines. Then somebody suggested that it is assumed that a person traveling from A to B will take the shortest route possible and it is concluded that the person used X, Y and Z lines during his journey. That's how the passengers in individual lines are calculated.

Is that right or wrong ?
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