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Old July 1st, 2010, 09:22 PM   #201
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Old July 8th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #202
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Extension of existing lines
  • In construction


Gare de Saint Denis - Asnières-Gennevilliers-Les Courtilles (2012)
-4.5 km
-10 stations












La Défense - Bezons (2012)
-4.2 km
-7 stations







Porte d'Ivry - Porte de la Chapelle (2012)
-14.5 km
-26 stations










  • In Project


Noisy le Sec - Val de Fontenay (2015)
-8 km
-15 stations


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Old July 8th, 2010, 02:58 PM   #203
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New lines
  • In construction


Marche de Saint-Denis - Garges-Sarcelles (2012)
Rubber-tired tramway (Translohr)
-6.5 km
-16 stations













Châtillon Montrouge - Viroflay Rive Droite (2013)
Rubber-tired tramway (Translohr)
-14 km -1.6 km in tunnel)
-21 stations (2 underground)













Villejuif Louis Aragon - Athis-Mons (2013)
-11.2 km
-18 stations











Saint Denis Porte de Paris - Epinay - Villetaneuse Université (2014)
8.5 km
17 stations







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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:05 PM   #204
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Villejuif Louis Aragon - Athis-Mons (2013)
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Do you mean ?
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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:12 PM   #205
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Minato, do you happen to have a map with the whole system by 2014 (or further) with all new lines and extentions (tram + metro + rer)?

Merci!
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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:37 PM   #206
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I will try to find this.

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Do you mean ?
Yes this is a this is a writing error.
I updated the first post of this thread with the tramway Extension, I will also add the bus later.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 03:53 PM   #207
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So there will be
And for when the section Porte de la Chapelle-Pont de Garigliano of the T3? (For complete the circle )
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Old July 8th, 2010, 04:32 PM   #208
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In fact there will be

Why a T3 and T3est ?
Because the line 3 will be too long to be operated as a single one, so they decided to cut the lines in two.

Pont de Garigliano - Porte de Vincennes
Porte de Vincennes - Porte de la Chapelle.

For the western extention of line, the section Porte de la Chapelle - Porte d Asniere is sure but the rest is less so.
Especially the part in the 16th arrondissement where a new line is not necessary.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 04:42 PM   #209
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Very unlikely, as the tram would be between Paris second biggest park (Bois de Boulogne) and a low density residential area (the very affluent 16th district) between Porte Maillot and Porte de Saint Cloud.
Nevertheless the tram will be shortly extended to Porte d'Asnières in the north-west and may also cross the river Seine to Porte de Saint Cloud in the south.

By the way those "rubber tyred" tram are really a shame, as this technology is unreliable and not even cheaper than "real" tram.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 09:41 PM   #210
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Minato, do you happen to have a map with the whole system by 2014 (or further) with all new lines and extentions (tram + metro + rer)?

Merci!
Back in 2008 I had made a map with the tram network by 2016:



All the lines in blue are getting contructed by now, bar the eastern extension of T1 which is still in project and the eastern extension of T2 that have opened since.

The brown line lying in the north is under construction, the status of the other 3 remain "in project"...

The network length is now 41,3 km, it should be 195 km by 2016.
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Old July 8th, 2010, 10:01 PM   #211
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And for when the section Porte de la Chapelle-Pont de Garigliano of the T3? (For complete the circle )

Wouldn't it be easier to follow metro's nomination and call Trams T20, T21... and on?

Trams are really integrated with metro system and RER in Paris, I think it would be easier for non usual users to change trams nomination.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 10:10 PM   #212
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Wouldn't it be easier to follow metro's nomination and call Trams T20, T21... and on?

Trams are really integrated with metro system and RER in Paris, I think it would be easier for non usual users to change trams nomination.
Why? To make them seem metro lines? That would be more confusing... I think that the present system is quite good.
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Old July 9th, 2010, 10:26 PM   #213
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Actual means "in fact". It would be better "The present".

Now for buses, I used to have an updated map of Paris every year. And I found two new bus lines called "La traverse de x". Is there more "traverses"?
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Old July 12th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #214
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^ Traverses are very local lines, neighbourhood-oriented. There are apparently 3 of such lines in the North, East, and South of intra-muros Paris. All are operated with Gruau Microbus:


from Clicsouris (Wikipedia)
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Old July 12th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #215
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Pont du Garigliano - Porte de Vincennes
Porte de Vincennes - Porte de la Chapelle.
Corrected for you !


BTW, the west part of T3 won't be built indeed (It's not even planned)...

As you already know I live in this district and the new PC1 is almost always empty from Pte-de-St-Cloud to Pte-Maillot.. So there's no need for a Tram here (except maybe from Pont-du-Garigliano to Pte-d'Auteuil because of the Parc des Princes, Roland Garros and Stade Jean Bouin)
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Old July 12th, 2010, 08:00 PM   #216
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Having read a few interesting blog entries from Jarrett Walker, who is visiting Paris blogging about the infrastructure in Paris:

http://www.humantransit.org/2010/07/...t-is-ours.html
http://www.humantransit.org/2010/07/...les-contd.html
http://www.humantransit.org/2010/07/...nsit-logo.html
http://www.humantransit.org/2010/07/...-vehicles.html

I'm curious to find out what are the fare evasion rates in different modes of Paris, whether that's the metro/RER (which I should really be asking in its own dedicated thread) with their fare gates, and tram routes and buses with their proof-of-payment system?
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Old July 13th, 2010, 05:42 AM   #217
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Concerning fare evasion, BUS and Tram are the easiest to evade fare. On buses people could simply get on by the rear doors... and even if they get on by the front door if they don't have a navigo pass=transport card or a ticket, the bus driver won't say anything.

Then for trams people just get on and get off the tram, nobody is checking...
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Old July 13th, 2010, 06:00 AM   #218
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Why? To make them seem metro lines? That would be more confusing... I think that the present system is quite good.
It wouldn't be confusing. Metro is M1, and tram would be T21...
Trams and metros have similar frequency and distance between stations, and speed is not so different. Plus, in Paris tariffs are integrated, so no confusion would be possible.

I think the present system is almost perfect, but it could be simpler with little modifications.
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Old July 13th, 2010, 09:45 PM   #219
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It is wrong, you cannot do a transfer between trams and metro with one average ticket.
On the oposite you can transfer between the trams and bus with one avergae ticket.

Trams are in the bus departement of the RATP.
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Old July 16th, 2010, 09:54 PM   #220
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