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Old July 23rd, 2010, 11:24 PM   #221
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Old July 24th, 2010, 12:09 PM   #222
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Nice photos. But that type of Citadis looks strange.I know it is often visible when tram is adapted to run in "double traction",but this time (just like in Stadler's Tango) the effect is like this:

Very often it looks better when the coupler is uncovered
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Old July 24th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #223
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Before the tram were like that



But as the tram sionce the Porte de Versailles extension (opened last year) and with Pont de Bezon extension (in 2012) run in a less segregated environement it need better protection for the pedestrians.
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RATP bus network is not the only bus system in Paris area
RATP bus mostly serve the inner city and the inner suburbs, in outer suburbs there is many different other compagnies.
These networks are regrouped in the name Optile.

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1,070 bus lines
24,000 bus stops
250 million passengers per year.


Phébus (Keolis) is a bus system serving Versailles and surrounding.








Some other bus found in Versailles
Veolia Montesson (serving Montesson Valley)




Sqybus (serving the New town of Saint-Quentin-en-Yvelines)
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Old August 11th, 2010, 05:24 PM   #224
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Sqybus
Irisbus Citelis 12




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Old August 12th, 2010, 03:13 AM   #225
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It wouldn't be confusing. Metro is M1, and tram would be T21...
Trams and metros have similar frequency and distance between stations, and speed is not so different. Plus, in Paris tariffs are integrated, so no confusion would be possible.

I think the present system is almost perfect, but it could be simpler with little modifications.
Unfortunately, trams are significantly less frequent than metros in Paris, and their service is also a lot more irregular (especially on T1 or T3, which cross roads). As for speed, I would say tramways from those lines are twice slower. The problem is less true on T2 because it is fully separated from traffic on most of the line though. As for T4, I don't know, I've never taken it.

Overall, I would say tramways in Paris are a lot more an improved version of a bus service than something which could really be compared to a metro service.

As a matter of fact, showing trams on the metro maps instead of the bus maps already looks like a fraud to me. It's often faster to take metro line 6 and then switch to another metro line than it is to take the line T3. And services aren't even more crowded on the metro than they are on the tram.
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Old August 12th, 2010, 08:52 PM   #226
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Renault Agora GNV (Compressed natural gas)




Transdev CEAT (Express bus: inner Paris to Sainte-Geneviève-des-Bois in southern outer suburbs)
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Old August 13th, 2010, 01:55 AM   #227
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Mind posting shots of the Mobillien fully segregated bus-only lanes and bus shelters throughout Paris? I'm working on a project related to bus priority and would like to know more information about the Mobillien.
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Old August 13th, 2010, 02:46 AM   #228
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Honestly I don't understand all the fuss about Mobilien, it is just quite badly designed segrated bus and taxi lanes.









If you want a real good busway, the Trans Val de Marne line (Tvm) in southern suburbs is far more interesting.
It has an average speed often higher than most tram, it does have the priority and the frequencies are really great.
With 18.5 million passengers, it is one of busiest bus line of Paris bus network.

I don't really have good pics of this line.











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Old August 13th, 2010, 08:53 AM   #229
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Well see I'm working on something that has to focus on bus-lanes within a limited space in a city centre. Most busways that are fully segregated are in the suburbs, have its own street dedicated to itself, or the street just has a lot of space.

Any parts of the Mobilien that are semi-segregated from the street?
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Old September 1st, 2010, 10:27 PM   #230
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What do you mean exactly by semi segregated ? Because mobilien are semi-segegrated of the traffic.

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In the cases, I would consider bus lanes on the road with only a painted line separating the bus lane from the general traffic lane(s) equivalent to semi-segregation. Full segregation would be actual medians with few intersections that meet with general traffic.
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Old September 3rd, 2010, 11:00 PM   #232
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The interesting bus station of Val de Fontenay



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It's not all that interesting, in fact it just looks like an American style transit center/park and ride. (albeit in a denser setting, and without the parking.)
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^ Aesthetically, I think it's nicer than the average American Transit Centre.
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Old September 4th, 2010, 03:21 PM   #235
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It is also nicer than the average parisian one.

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Old September 12th, 2010, 04:58 PM   #236
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Tram and bus ridership in 2009.

In million of passengers
  • RATP tram : 89 (exclude T4 tram train)
  • RATP bus : 995
  • Optile and TRA bus : 309
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Old September 16th, 2010, 05:47 PM   #237
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This is what the T6 tram will look like:



The line will open in 2014, will be 14 km long and have 21 stops. The RATP is expecting 82 000 passengers a day on this line that will go from Chatillon to Viroflay.

more info (in french):
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Old September 16th, 2010, 07:11 PM   #238
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Trams look good!
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Old September 16th, 2010, 07:14 PM   #239
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This is simplely a Translohr.
I hope the tram wil be longer than in the picture.

The big work of the T6 beginned.
The last I took this road in rush hour, it was completly jammed.
Over hour in the bus for a trip of less than 5 km.
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Trams look good!
Yeah... it looks.... alright. Definately less sexy than the trams of line T2 or T3, but better than T1, thats for sure. Like Minato said it's a Translohr so we know the design most probably wont change!

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This is simplely a Translohr.
I hope the tram wil be longer than in the picture.
Well, on the RATP website they say that one tram will be able to carry 250 people including 60 seated. On wikipedia, they say that in the french city of Clermont-Ferrand has, a Translohr tram (4 tramcars) can carry 170 people, including 40 seated. So I'm guessing there will be 5 tramcars for the ones on line T6.
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