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Old October 9th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #341
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Is there a map showing it? It is conected to the old TVM, right?
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Old October 10th, 2011, 02:31 AM   #342
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Here a map of the line 393
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Note that a new RER D station is under in construction at Pompadour, it should open by 2013 and will replace the old Villeneuve Prairie station.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 04:41 AM   #343
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I was reading on Metro Pole that four bus lines are being strengthened because M13 is so overcrowded. I think to myself, "why did it have to come to this?".
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Old October 10th, 2011, 08:22 AM   #344
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They already did it in many buses lines around the northern line 13, it doesn't have any signifiant effect.
The streets above the northern line 13 (Place de Clichy, Avenue de Clichy or Avenue de Saint Ouen) are complety jammed in rush hours.
Don't even try to take the (overcrowded) buses, it is faster walking.

PS : In the map I posted earlier you may wonder why there is so few bus lines south of the line 393 ?
In reality it isn't really the case but this is a RATP map, so it only shows the RATP bus lines.
Boissy Saint Leger by exemple is served by 8 bus lines, none are RATP.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #345
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Thanks for the map. And its right to move up north the station for better conection between RER and buses.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #346
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They already did it in many buses lines around the northern line 13, it doesn't have any signifiant effect.
The streets above the northern line 13 (Place de Clichy, Avenue de Clichy or Avenue de Saint Ouen) are complety jammed in rush hours.
Don't even try to take the (overcrowded) buses, it is faster walking.
Wow, that is too much. I wish they had several other rail options for the area. The revised planning for M14 will not alleviate the stress either. Buses are never that reliable, especially during rush hour.
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Old October 10th, 2011, 09:25 PM   #347
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Pointe du Lac, not only the bus 393 use the buway near this station. It is not visible in the map as these bus lines are not RATP.
SETRA Line 23

STRAV Line K


Line 393 at its western terminal stop "Thiais, Carrefour de la Résistance".

Where it uses the busway of the TVM.
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:38 AM   #348
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Last weekend i was in Paris. Again and i think for the 7th time, but this time with my girlfriend so not that much time for the hobby.

After these days, i got the question in my mind: why is there actually still a bus network in the inner center of Paris? The city does not have that many seperate bus lanes; buses got stuck up in traffic. They are slower than the most metro connections, even if you have to change somewhere in the densed metro network.

So why has Paris still a very expensive busnetwork in the innercity? Isn't better to concentrate and invest the money in the metro network?
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Old October 13th, 2011, 12:53 AM   #349
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Because there are still many people (especially old people) using it.
Outside the circle formed by the line 2 and 6, there quite useful lines that follow some routes, not properly served by the metro.

Excepted few lines, most bus lines are not empty.
Buses don't cost much and it is well used, so removing the bus network would not give to the metro more money, worse this could decrease the revenue of the RATP.
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After a quick look at the Paris bus map it turns out there are even buslines which even run parallel for large parts of metro lines. Is this really only for people who really cannot use the metro (handicapped/very old people)?

- Bus line 30 (metro line 2 between Etoile and Barbes-Rochechouart)
- Bus line 61 (entire metro line 3BIS)
- Bus line 73 (metro line 1 between Pont de Neuilly and Concorde)
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After a quick look at the Paris bus map it turns out there are even buslines which even run parallel for large parts of metro lines. Is this really only for people who really cannot use the metro (handicapped/very old people)?

- Bus line 30 (metro line 2 between Etoile and Barbes-Rochechouart)
- Bus line 61 (entire metro line 3BIS)
- Bus line 73 (metro line 1 between Pont de Neuilly and Concorde)
Logically the busstops are far closer together than the metro stations. The buses fullfill a different function than the metro. Yes, a big part is for those with no real access to the metro due to lowered mobility, but also for when you're really tired, want to see the sunlight a bit, ... my point is: there is a need. People use it. Sorta like how HSR doesn't eliminate the need for "regular" trains.
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For example :
- there are 11 stations between Barbès-Rochechouart & Etoile-CDG with M2, and 16 with bus 30.

- there are 11 stations between La Défense & Concorde with M1, and 20 with bus 73.

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I had worked for 1 year in a school not too far from my home. 3 choices : by feet, 20 ', great on morning, no stress ; M2, 4 stations, but had to walk : 20' also ! Or bus 26, 32 or 43 : same time, 20' ! I used the metro only twice...
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Old October 22nd, 2011, 12:44 AM   #353
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Irisbus Crealis, line 91
This is one of two existing in the RATP network, (the other one is on the TVM). It was a test for the new bus line 393 but this bus model was too expensive and didn't offert much more than the Iribus Citelis 18.




Irisbus Crealis next to a Renault Agora L


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Old October 22nd, 2011, 01:24 AM   #354
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Has RATP ever tested bi-articulated buses on some of its routes?
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RATP has tested bi-articulated buses on the line 183 in the 1980s.

http://forum.aceboard.net/5699-1095-...tests-RATP.htm
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Old October 23rd, 2011, 10:34 PM   #356
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Awesome thread, never knew Paris had trams
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Old October 24th, 2011, 03:42 AM   #357
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RATP has tested bi-articulated buses on the line 183 in the 1980s.
Borrowed to Bordeaux I guess?
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No, this one is a protype unlike the megabus of Bordeaux, it was owned by RVI.
This bus has a plate of the Rhone departement (69), so I believe it comes for Lyon area where I think the usine was located.
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Do you notice the difference between these two Scania buses ?


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