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Old November 21st, 2011, 07:16 PM   #361
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New RATP Mercedes Citaro
It been a while that the RATP didn't order Mercedes Citaro before.


The last day of the Renault R312 on the RATP network (produced between 1987 and 1996) will be this week.
In this picture we see one of the last one, in the last line where the R312 run.

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Old November 22nd, 2011, 08:00 PM   #362
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One of the things I've found with public transit is that certain buses and trains have a "charm" to them that make them unique to the system. And when the stock is retired, that charm is lost.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 08:08 PM   #363
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This is the design of the rolling stock.
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Old November 24th, 2011, 09:08 PM   #364
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Last year i visited Paris only for the hobby and i was very surprised to found R312-buses. Unfortunately its over now..
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Old November 24th, 2011, 11:01 PM   #365
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This is the design of the rolling stock.
Very sleek & modern!
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Old November 25th, 2011, 12:25 AM   #366
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One of the things I've found with public transit is that certain buses and trains have a "charm" to them that make them unique to the system. And when the stock is retired, that charm is lost.
The retirement age for a bus in Paris is 15 years old.
The last R312 were produced in 1996, 15 years ago.
It is the older Agora that are going to be withdraw.

Note that for an articuled bus the retirement age is 10 years old.
So already many articuled Agora were withdraw.

By exemple, the bus line 208 in Champigny, this picture is from 2008.
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old Renault Agora
Here the same line, the last week.



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Old November 26th, 2011, 05:19 AM   #367
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Well it will be sad to see the R312 retire, it will be the end of an era of reliable and solid buses which by the way had good colors.

Since the introduction of the 12 meters Renault Agora, the RATP has decided to spend less on the paint scheme of buses and they decided to put less green and changed all the shocks and lower part of the bus body to grey (in order to wash the buses less often since grey can mask dirt).

And the new buses receive uglier and uglier paint (see the new Citaros and Man Lion's City 12m).

Also the RATP has decided to remove all the destinations stickers you could see on the outside of the buses, in order to save money too....However people cannot tell from afar on which line the bus in running....

And also another negative point, the new LED Destination display are horrible, because the STIF the governing authority for transports in the Paris region, has decided that RATP buses must have the destination displayed with VERY BIG LETTERS, and as such, its difficult to see the destination because the text is moving and is always cut....

The RATP has really gone backwards the past 10 years as far as bus goes....

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Old November 26th, 2011, 12:46 PM   #368
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I quite like the R312, but I guess it's time for it to go. Good to see more Citaros joining the fleet though.

I agree with dale88 that the font of the displays is way too big and thus a bit cartoonish.
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Old November 26th, 2011, 11:55 PM   #369
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Since the introduction of the 12 meters Renault Agora, the RATP has decided to spend less on the paint scheme of buses and they decided to put less green and changed all the shocks and lower part of the bus body to grey (in order to wash the buses less often since grey can mask dirt).
Are you sure that it was RATP that made that decision and the supposed reason for it?

Were I live we have PR100.3's which is an upgraded PR100.2 chassis with a body based in the R312 and it too has the same grey skirt. However the reasoning for it is not to hide dirt, but to have have panels that can be easily replaced (read don't have to be painted) in case of accident damage thus reducing time off the road and reducing maintenance costs.

Picture here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lt_PR100.3.jpg
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Are you sure that it was RATP that made that decision and the supposed reason for it?
The RATP did make the decision because the company own most of the buses it uses (up until now as the STIF is starting to pay and own some of the buses of the RATP).

So the first reason was of course to replace bus parts quicker without painting them, and another reason is to wash the buses less often, as dirt is less visible with a grey lower body.

A good example of that can be seen on the last Man Lion's City buses the ratp bought, the lower part of the buses is painted in grey but there are no panels on the lower part of the body, in fact a full white side body would be quicker to paint.....

And also the RATP removed the green paint under the windows for the same reasons (no need to use green in order to paint the side)

But now its getting even worse, the RATP is starting to buy some buses without paint with a full white body (some Citelis 12) and just stick some green stickers on the body of the bus...
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Old November 28th, 2011, 02:12 AM   #371
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It is already the case for the metro where the RATP uses stickers instead of paint.
Anyway the stickers get dirty faster than paint, so while for the metro I understand that they use it as graffiti proof lively, I fail to see the advantage for bus.
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I was about to say the same thing. Buses with stickers I find to be appalling (unless the livery is relatively simple). Some of the transit agencies in the US have also done resorted to using stickers on buses. Perhaps more agencies than I am thinking.

In Tampa, FL (where I live) the buses are painted in a dark navy base paint and then white and light blue stickers are applied to complete the livery. Problem is, when advertisements are removed from the bus, often times, parts of the light blue and white stickers will tear off as well, costing the agency more money to have to reapply the stickers.
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Old November 29th, 2011, 09:47 AM   #373
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Renault Agora of the line 128 (my bus line).
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Old December 9th, 2011, 04:00 AM   #374
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Western extension, Asnières Gennevilliers-Les Courtilles - Colombes Gabriel Peri
It is not the western extension in work between Saint Denis and Asnières Gennevilliers-Les Courtilles) that will open in 2012.
It is what is planned next on the western side, this extension will provide a connection between the T1 and T2.
Work should begin in 2014.



Only one of two routes planned will be built.

-6 km
-11 or 12 stations
-80,000 to 110,000 new passengers.

With all the extensions on the west and east of the line, I believe that T1 will be split at least in two.
Because 31 km long is not suitable for a tram line like the T1. The whole trip between Colombes Gabriel Peri and Val de Fontenay will take at least two hours.
And it's not over, another extension is planned on the western side further inside Nanterre.
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Old December 18th, 2011, 01:19 PM   #376
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Trams:
http://forum.transira.ro/viewtopic.php?t=4794&start=0



http://forum.transira.ro/viewtopic.php?t=4794&start=30



Buses:
http://forum.transira.ro/viewtopic.php?t=1992

Trains:
http://forum.transira.ro/viewtopic.php?t=4802

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RATP Bus Driver Training vehicule
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New RATP lively with the grey of the STIF.
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This line was new back then, the T1 will have 20 years old in July.
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Buses at Antony RER station.

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Le Paladin (bus network around Antony).








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