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Old April 6th, 2013, 12:18 AM   #581
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Old April 6th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #582
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Minato, you're awesome!!

I'm surprised there isn't some kind of buffer or barrier at the end of the 'track'.
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Old April 20th, 2013, 09:15 PM   #583
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Irisbus Citelis 12 (line 32) and Man Lion's City G (line 43) a bit further in the east.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 09:13 PM   #584
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I think the light rail lines look great and there is a lot of urban development going on along the corridors. But I just don't get it why anyone would choose Translohr. It just makes no sense. A proprietary system that successfully combines the disadvantages of two worlds. Great.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #585
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I think the light rail lines look great and there is a lot of urban development going on along the corridors. But I just don't get it why anyone would choose Translohr. It just makes no sense. A proprietary system that successfully combines the disadvantages of two worlds. Great.
I don't really mind Translohr as a cheaper alternative for smaller towns, like Clermont-Ferrand. There's kind of a case for it there, if a weak one. But its use in Paris is just plain bizarre. As I and others have said in this thread, it removes all possibility of future through-running between tram lines. It doesn't matter if there are no immediate plans for through running, say from T1 onto T5, the system will expand in the future and removing the potential to use T5 and T6 as part of a wider network is just illogical and pretty stupid really.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #586
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I don't think you will see any real through-running in Paris tram, it is not conceived as such.
The main system is the metro and RER, trams are just secondary lines who carry commuters to the metro or RER like the bus in periphery.

While I am not in favor of Translohr, I also against the fact to built tram in Central Paris, it would be very costly for serving an area already well covered when there are plenty area in the periphery unserved and this the only way to create a wide interconnected tram network.

If you think the tram as a transport to cover some unserved gap to link to the the heavy mass transit system, you can't think Paris tram network as a single interconnected system because of the size of the city.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #587
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Does anyone have numbers to compare the costs of tram lines vs Translohr? Including real maintenance costs...
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Old April 26th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #588
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No unfortunately.
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wwooww...paris has one of the most beautiful lines of light rail.....
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Had a costing for light rail versus translohr in 2010 for australia was about double may have changed now?
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Had a costing for light rail versus translohr in 2010 for australia was about double may have changed now?
But he ask with maintenance costs.
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I was shocked when I traveled on T2. Appallingly over capacity. Even with double five-section trams it was full and standing, people crammed in as much as possible, with people having to wait up to five departures to even get on board the vehicle.

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Old May 1st, 2013, 04:25 PM   #593
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I was shocked when I traveled on T2. Appallingly over capacity. Even with double five-section trams it was full and standing, people crammed in as much as possible, with people having to wait up to five departures to even get on board the vehicle.
The T2 is very crowded during rush hour, especially near la Défense.
Execpt for the T4, all the tram line are crowded. The T1 is maybe the worst, it is packed all the day.
This situation shows well that trams are quite insufficient for some of the routes where they were built.
We clearly need more subway in the periphery of Paris

I am afraid to see how the situation will be with the T6, not only the line will crowded but with the quite unreliable Translohr.
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or more tram lines. The big advantage of trams are that you can build a much finer network even outside of the metropolitan core. As it stands, those tram lines in greater Paris are only single lines. Maybe one should think about adding parallel lines in a certain distance, creating a real network. Alternatively one would have to upgrade the existing corridors for longer vehicles and/or higher frequencies.

An overused system is a good sign however, compared to an underused one. It shows the demand is clearly there for even more PT.
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Streets are not wide enough, there is very few wide avenues in suburbs, especially in circular suburbs to suburbs route.
Subway would be more efficient and would provide a better development of the area.
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What are circular suburbs, or do you mean inter-suburb trips?
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I mean a route from a suburb to a suburb that don't use a direction leading to Central Paris.
Most of the street are small two streets, not wide enough to have an efficient tram line that would not be stuck in the traffic.
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Old May 5th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #598
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The problem of trams isn't only the capacity, it is also the speed.

While tram can be interesting for local trips, it's just not competitive enough to cross the whole city.
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Minato, do you know how many buses of each model are there in Paris (RATP)? And how many models / brands are there? Thank you.
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Old May 5th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #600
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Heuliez GX317: 4
Renault Agora: 1012
Irisbus Agora line: 414
Irisbus Citelis line: 884
Irisbus Citelis 12: 474
MAN NL 223: 205
MAN Lion's City: 121
Mercedes Citaro: 68
Mercedes Citaro facelift: 82
Scania Omnicity: 221

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Renault/Irisbus Agora L: 209
Irisbus Citelis 18: 156
Irisbus Crealis 18: 2
MAN Lion's City G: 157
MAN Lion's City GL: 16
Scania Omnicity: 11
Heuliez GX427 Hybrid: 1
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