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Old June 4th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #621
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People seem to be nonchalantly walking and biking down the tram reservation. I have a feeling people don't recognise the translohr guideway the same way they would a normal tram line.
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Old June 4th, 2013, 06:34 PM   #622
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What are the translohr advantages? Easier to install but presumably less efficient due to the tyres? Seems a bit like combining the disadvantages of a bus (tyres, noise?) with the disadvantages of a tram (track and electricity)?
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Old June 4th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #623
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I think you are right.
When launched together with TVR from Bombardier it was said an easy and ""cheap"" installation cost, but bthe reality has shown installations costs a bit lower than traditionnal tram.
Prices of vehicules are higher than articulated buses but lower than traditional trams with smaller series. Duration of vehicules is not as long as imagined, because use of ""bus like technology"". TVR vehicules are now almost out of order in both Caen and Nancy and Caen is going to replace TVR by traditional tram and not by Translohr. Only track width and sewage are OK. Track will have to be fuilly replaced and catenaries will have to be adapted.
Lohr is now part of Alstom group and had to position Translohr STx products on their global range which includes Citadis trams and Dualis train / trams.
The next question is how RATP operator will manage 2 lines of Translohr at different parts of Paris conurbation, in addition to connections with traditional tram lines ?
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Old June 4th, 2013, 10:35 PM   #624
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More Testing of T7

Val de Marne have posted more pictures on their Flickr of testing for the T7
http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdemarne/
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Old June 5th, 2013, 02:31 AM   #625
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I think you are right.
When launched together with TVR from Bombardier it was said an easy and ""cheap"" installation cost, but bthe reality has shown installations costs a bit lower than traditionnal tram.
Prices of vehicules are higher than articulated buses but lower than traditional trams with smaller series. Duration of vehicules is not as long as imagined, because use of ""bus like technology"". TVR vehicules are now almost out of order in both Caen and Nancy and Caen is going to replace TVR by traditional tram and not by Translohr. Only track width and sewage are OK. Track will have to be fuilly replaced and catenaries will have to be adapted.
Lohr is now part of Alstom group and had to position Translohr STx products on their global range which includes Citadis trams and Dualis train / trams.
The next question is how RATP operator will manage 2 lines of Translohr at different parts of Paris conurbation, in addition to connections with traditional tram lines ?
Converting TVR to Translohr would be similar in cost to converting it to a standard tram. The rail designs for the two systems are totally different. Seeing as the TVR in Nancy has trolleybus-style two-wire overhead (it being a former trolleybus network), and seeing as the Nancy system has a fair bit of off-rail running, AND seeing as the TVR vehicles are pretty f**ked and impossible to replace as they're no longer supported by Bombarider, I'll be watching with interest what Nancy does. Will they pay for a tram replacement, go back to normal trolleybuses, or pull the system out altogether?

That may sound like it's about Nancy but the insanity of Translohr is that Paris may find itself in this position very soon too.
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Old June 5th, 2013, 02:50 AM   #626
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Old June 7th, 2013, 11:11 PM   #627
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The Citadis 302 of the line T7 have wide LCD screens giving information.


http://94.citoyens.com/2013/la-premi...02-alstom-t7-3

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Old June 11th, 2013, 02:17 AM   #628
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Tramway: Porte de Choisy - Orly Fer à Cheval (Number unknow, T9 or T10)
This tram will replace the bus line 183, one of the busiest in Paris with 17.1 million passengers in 2010 and 57,500 passengers in weekday.
The bus link Porte de Choisy with Orly airport but only a limited number of service go to the airport, the majority stop at Rouget de Lisle in Choisy-le-Roi or Mairie d'Orly.
The tram will only replace the section between Porte de Choisy and the town center of Orly.

Openening is planned for 2020.
80,000 passengers per day are planned for this tram





Comparison of the station between the 183 and the future tramway line.
Note thet comparison is between in the section that will be converted in tram.
Tram station name are provisional.

Red: existing station/undisplaced
Green: merged station (when two stations become a single one).
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Porte de Choisy
There spots are considered for the station.
In my opinion the western one is the best, it would at the place of terminal stop of the line 183 and offers better connection with tram T3a (throught platform interchange) and metro line 7.


Ivry-sur-Seine


Vitry-sur-Seine


Thiais - Choisy-le-Roi


Orly
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Old June 11th, 2013, 03:23 AM   #629
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Tzen 5
Same sector that the Porte de Choisy-Orly tram but more in the east, closer to the Seine river bank.
"Tzen" is a name created by the STIF (organizing public transport authority of Greater Paris region) for the Bus rapid transit.
For the moment only one line is in service but four more are planned.

Tzen 5 will run between Bibliothèque François Mitterrand (M14/RER C) and Choisy le Roi.
It will follow more or less the RER C route but with a more local services, all those area are under in redevelopment, millions sqm of residential/offices/commercial space are planned.

Tzen 5
10.5 km
20 stops
50,000 passengers planned per day
Opening planned for 2020.



Map of the line

Areas in red are redevelopment zones.

13th arrondissement


Ivry-sur-Seine

Note the M at Gambetta is the planned eastern extension of the metro line 10

Vitry-sur-Seine
By 2020

By 2030

Note, it is not notified in the map but Gare Ardoines will be serve by the new metro line 15 and it is a stop of the RER C

Choisy-le-Roi

Note TPO is the tramway of the previous post, the tram between Porte de Choisy (P for Paris) and Orly

I find funny to see that this bus line terminates 500m before Choisy le Roi RER station.
The thin red lines are the pedestrian path.
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Is that a guided busway or just a bus rapid transit system like the Swansea Metro?
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Old June 11th, 2013, 04:47 PM   #631
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I believe the T-Zen is a Bus Rapid Transit Line that runs on its own right-of-way for at least a portion of the route.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #632
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Is that a guided busway or just a bus rapid transit system like the Swansea Metro?
It is just a bus rapid transit like Swansea Metro like Hartride said.
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bonjour!quelqu'un peut il me dire combien de passagers les lignes T3A et T3B transportent par jour....Merci.
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I don't have any data.

Works in Viroflay.
The tramway will be underground in this section.
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If it built, I think, it will be the longest translohr tunnel in the world.
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If it built, I think, it will be the longest translohr tunnel in the world.
Wouldn't it be the only Translohr tunnel in the world?
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This fact afraid some people.
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I hope it could be upgraded into a tram one day. Just like they are planning to do in Caen, one of those cities that has been riped off too by this so called "technology".
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Caen, as far as I know, had guided light transit or rubber-tyred tramway. Translohr is modified model of that system with the different type of wheel. Am I right?
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Caen, as far as I know, had guided light transit or rubber-tyred tramway. Translohr is modified model of that system with the different type of wheel. Am I right?
Sort of, yeah. They're two totally different systems from different manufacturers. They both have the problem of not being able to build new stock for them if the manufacturer discontinues the current model, as has happened already with the Caen/Nancy Bombardier GLT system.
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