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Old June 16th, 2013, 12:35 AM   #641
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About the T5, I read that unlike the first information about an opening in September, the opening would be in late July / August.


The first full test ride (marche à blanc) has been delayed to June 26 instead of 22.
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Old June 16th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #642
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There are rumors about an opening of the T5 on July 29.
It is only rumor given the fact that full ride tests (marche à blanc) haven't debuted yet.
"Marche à blanc" is operating the tramway like on normal operation but without passengers (the expression "à blanc" means empty in french).
Is anybody has an english term for this?

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Old June 16th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #643
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You asked that before - the only real phrase to mean that is 'testing phase'. 'Shadow timetable' or 'shadow running' would be used if it was literally running the exact service it will after opening.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #644
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'Shadow timetable' or 'shadow running' is exactly what is a 'Marche à blanc'.
Vehicles run exactly like a normal commercial service but without passengers.
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Old June 17th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #645
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There are rumors about an opening of the T5 on July 29.
It is only rumor given the fact that full ride tests (marche à blanc) haven't debuted yet.
"Marche à blanc" is operating the tramway like on normal operation but without passengers (the expression "à blanc" means empty in french).
Is anybody has an english term for this?
Test run.
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Old June 19th, 2013, 07:40 PM   #646
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Vehicle Citadis 302 N° 708 was seen earlier this week under the destination "FORMATION" (training) on several runs from station Sogaris and Porte de Rungis up to Orly Fret 2 station including passage above motorway A 106 on the bridge specially built for line T7 from Orlytech. This may be driver training before handing over the line to RATP for "Marche à Blanc". Unfortunately my situation didn't allow me to make pictures. That'll be next time early July when I'll be there
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Old June 20th, 2013, 02:53 AM   #647
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Old June 21st, 2013, 10:21 AM   #648
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'Shadow timetable' or 'shadow running' is exactly what is a 'Marche à blanc'.
Vehicles run exactly like a normal commercial service but without passengers.
With a shadow service though they would be running empty but replicating a service that was operating.

Where I've seen shadow services is when say a new train is introduced. They will run an old train in service with passengers with the new empty train running the shadow service behind. Never heard shadow used for what is essentially test running.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 02:31 PM   #649
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In France we have a test for four weeks before the opening where trains run empty but with regular operating.
This is called "marche à blanc".
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Shadow running is used a lot for exactly that. If you have a look through the Manchester Metrolink extensions thread, you'll see that before a new line opens there is a week or two of 'shadow running' where the trams run the service timetable with no passengers. I'm pretty sure that's what Minato's referring to.
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Old June 21st, 2013, 08:51 PM   #651
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Shadow running is used a lot for exactly that. If you have a look through the Manchester Metrolink extensions thread, you'll see that before a new line opens there is a week or two of 'shadow running' where the trams run the service timetable with no passengers. I'm pretty sure that's what Minato's referring to.
That's it
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Shadow running is used a lot for exactly that. If you have a look through the Manchester Metrolink extensions thread, you'll see that before a new line opens there is a week or two of 'shadow running' where the trams run the service timetable with no passengers. I'm pretty sure that's what Minato's referring to.
No doubt that is what he is referring to, he did ask however if that is what it is called in English.

My opinion is no, the only time I have ever heard of shadow running is where they are shadowing existing services. I.e. a new train following (or if you will SHADOWING) an old train in service and of course vice versa with the new taking the passengers and the old being the back-up (or again the shadow).

Never heard of shadow running being used for a full test. If so what is it shadowing?
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Oh damn, the phrase I was looking for was 'ghost running' or 'ghost timetable'. I've had a look through the Metrolink thread and that's the one they use. Sorry for the confusion.
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Old June 28th, 2013, 09:39 PM   #654
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Ghost running

For four weeks the line will be operated like a normal commercial service but without passengers.












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Old June 28th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #655
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I've only now come to understand the T5 is a different system than other tramway lines of Paris (tyres).
And same stuff for T6. That explains some of Minato's pictures of Vélizy in his "Paris...my city" thread I found strange (the wide gauge between electrified tracks).
All right, all right, then.
There must be some technical reason I guess. the speed perhaps?
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Old June 29th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #656
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Sorry for OT:

I asked this question a few years ago, but I'd like to ask it again, because maybe something has changed.

Do you know if this museum: http://www.amtuir.org/ is going to be reopened in the near future? Unfortunately I don't know French and i can't understand what is currently going on with them. Moreover, maybe one of you, as Paris inhabitant, has some additional information on this topic.

Thanks for your help .
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I have no idea, the project of reopening the museum seems to be on hold for the moment.

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I've only now come to understand the T5 is a different system than other tramway lines of Paris (tyres).
And same stuff for T6. That explains some of Minato's pictures of Vélizy in his "Paris...my city" thread I found strange (the wide gauge between electrified tracks).
All right, all right, then.
There must be some technical reason I guess. the speed perhaps?
The (in)famous Translohr, if I could give one advantage (and the only one I know) is that they take less space and can have tighter curve than an average tram.
But in my opinion, the choice of Translohr is mainly political.

I don't think it will be as bad as many people say but I don't think that it was a good choice.
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If you read back through this thread there is page after page of discussion on Translohr, why it was chosen and the various problems with it.

No disrespect to the city, but I'd be terrified walking around taking pictures in some of the suburbs of Paris that T5 runs through. I felt a little uncomfortable on some sections of T3.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 08:47 PM   #659
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