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Old September 29th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #721
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All the tram lines are in the periphery, most people who visit Paris don't see the tram lines.
In 1999, there were only two tram lines, T1 which opened in 1992 and T2 in 1997.
Actually, I came across the T2 on a Paris trip and that was more than 10 years ago. But it must have been fairly new back then.
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Old September 29th, 2013, 04:00 PM   #722
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6 or 7 years old back then.
The T2 of the past was quite different, it still had the old TFS (it was the beginning of the Citadis 302 in the line) and trains were two time less long.
T2 is operated with 2 EMU train since 2005.
The line was less long.
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Old September 30th, 2013, 01:01 AM   #723
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^ Amazing, the tram network back then was as extensive as the metro network is now. Strange to see cables in Paris
In fact, most of the lines - at least in the center of Paris - used a very primitive version of the APS (then, most of the time, there was no cable). But it was very unreliable, prone to short-circuits when it was raining, and even dangerous for the pedestrians with a real risk of electrocution.

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Trocadéro (of course it's the former Trocadéro ; at least it was as ugly as the new one...) :
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Old September 30th, 2013, 01:22 AM   #724
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Gare de l'Est before the enlargement.
What standed here before?
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Old October 1st, 2013, 10:11 PM   #725
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In fact, more than an enlargement, it was a reconstruction. Some small buildings were destroyed (notably one used by the customs).
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Old October 1st, 2013, 10:30 PM   #726
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Obviously because Gare de l'Est doubled in size in the heart of 1930's Paris, this couldn't be done without destroying buildings.
Faubourg Saint-Martin street was even diverted a bit.

I wonder what is the steel building next to Gare de l'Est terminal in the picture?
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Old October 1st, 2013, 11:21 PM   #727
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The Hôtel Amiot still exists and is located Bd de Strasbourg, that means we look at the Place du 11 novembre (in front of the station).

This structure in fact was part of the terminal. The building made of stone was used for the departures, the other one made of iron for the arrivals (i'm pretty sure that it is iron and not steel ; the metallic structures built in France before WW I were made of iron - like the Eiffel tower). The whole building was rebuilt in stone in the thirties.

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Old October 5th, 2013, 12:22 AM   #728
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From 1921, the tramways in Paris were exploited by the STCRP (société des transports en commun de la région parisienne) - which merged with the CMP (the subway) after WW II.

The STCRP itself was the result of a merging of several companies in 1920.

The main company before the creation of the STCRP was the CGO (compagnie générale des omnibus).

Here is a type G of the CGO in 1912. They were the best trams built for Paris :

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A type A trailer of the CGO :

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More type G with minor modifications were built after WW I for the STCRP.

The next model (and the last...) was the type L. It has the same carbody of the G but the chassis was completely different. The engineers wanted to save as much weight as possible : the parisian vehicules before were all relatively heavy. It was a failure : the chassis were prone to fold (i have some pictures showing something that looks more like a banana than a tramway) and had to be quickly reinforced ; as a result, they became heavy as a type G. Here is a type L, brand new - that means without any deformation :

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(the STCRP decided to maintain the livery formerly in use with the CGO - dark green with yellow stripes).

(Source : "Les tramways Parisiens", Jean Robert)
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Old October 5th, 2013, 07:32 AM   #729
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This depot still exists, I live 100 metres away from it:

Any present day photos of this depot?
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Old October 5th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #730
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The depot has been heavily modernised and rebuilt since then.

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This depot still exists, I live 100 metres away from it:
I think you confuse Malakoff depot with Montrouge depot which is located in Porte d’Orléans.
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Old October 6th, 2013, 02:12 AM   #731
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Old October 11th, 2013, 09:11 PM   #732
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MAN Lion's City L of the line 95 have been replaced by Irisbus Citelis 18 (with RATP/STIF livery).
The former MAN Lion's City L of line 95 now run on line 26.





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Old October 12th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #733
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Old October 15th, 2013, 12:15 PM   #734
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MAN Lion's City L of the line 95 have been replaced by Irisbus Citelis 18 (with RATP/STIF livery).
The former MAN Lion's City L of line 95 now run on line 26.





italian bus...

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Old October 15th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #735
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Irisbus Citelis is the successor of the Renault Agora (very similar design), so this is more a french bus.
Irisbus was formed through the merger of the bus and coach divisions of Fiat Industrial, Iveco and Renault.
Irisbus was based in Lyon.

This brand is owned by Fiat group.
Recently Irisbus has been renamed Iveco bus but the HQ is still in Lyon.
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Irisbus Citelis is the successor of the Renault Agora (very similar design), so this is more a french bus.
Irisbus was formed through the merger of the bus and coach divisions of Fiat Industrial, Iveco and Renault.
Irisbus was based in Lyon.

This brand is owned by Fiat group.
Recently Irisbus has been renamed Iveco bus but the HQ is still in Lyon.
you are correct. FIAT and IVECO europe division, not italian... This bus is the successor of the Agora and (in Italy) of the IVECO 491 CityClass(my mistake)...
Rome bought 337 bus of this type at the beginning of this year (12 and 18 meter)...
The STIF livery is very good, but i prefer the "ROMA MODEL" livery...



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As I wrote in the post #662, the MAN Lion's City L of line 95 have been move to line 26.
With this move, the line 26 become a line with articulated bus, it was the busiest line operated with standart bus of inner Paris.
Line 26 links Gare Saint-Lazare and Gare du Nord with Nation passing through the northeast of inner Paris.
Unfortunately, it run through many very congested area.

I have taken some pics at Nation the eastern terminal of line 26.







It is only the first stop and buses are already stuck in traffic jams.

Traffic is just horrible, hardly moving.

Here two MAN of line 26 arriving at Nation.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 12:36 AM   #738
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Villejuif - Louis Aragon
Ghost running has begin, the line T7 will open on November 16.

You can see that some of the paving work is not over.



A new subway entrance has been built

The bus station has been renovated.
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Ghost running has begin, the line T7 will open on November 16.

You can see that some of the paving work is not over.
They look much better than the other Paris/IDF trams to me.
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Old October 18th, 2013, 01:40 PM   #740
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Indeed! My favorite one along with the T3 rolling stock.
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