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Old February 13th, 2014, 01:55 PM   #801
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What is the daily ridership for all the tram lines?
I bring here the most recent figures from Wikipedia in French:

401,155 passengers per day in 2011
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramway...8Ele-de-France

700,000 according to Le Parisien newspaper


(17 km)
115,000 ppd (in 2009), as for the extension from Gare de Saint-Denis to Les Courtilles 43,000 are expected, 11.5 million yearly
29 300,000 (for the year 2006)

(17.9 km)
130,000 (including the extension from La Défense to Bezons)
19.9 million (in 2006)

(12.4 km)
146,000 (2011), + 65 000 expected with the extension from Porte d'Ivry to Porte de Vincennes.
40,500,000 (in 2012)

(9.9 km)
90,200 + 85,000 expected with the extension from Porte de la Chapelle to Porte d'Asnières.

(7.9 km)
30 000 per day (in 2009)
10,600,000 (in 2007)

(6.6 km)
30,000
9 million a year (projected ridership) but after 5 months, in January 2014: 44,000 per day

(14 km)
82,000 per day (projection)
22 million

(11.2 km)
36,000 (projection)
9.7 million

(8.46 km)
55,000 (projection)
16 million

(10.3 km)
80,000 per day (projection)

(8.2 km)
30,000 (projection)


Tram express nord (28 km)
150,000 per day (projection)
41,040,000 per year

Tram express ouest (19 km)
19,000 per day (projection)

Tram express Sud (20 km)
30,000 per day (projection)
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Old February 13th, 2014, 02:55 PM   #802
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Between 2011 and the end of 2014, the size of the network has almost doubled.
The big difference between 2011 and the most recent data is not surprising.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 06:55 PM   #803
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Thanks a lot!

I know it's not the right thread but... do you have any more recent figure for the RER and the Métro as well? (at least better than those from wiki that are from 2011)
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Old February 16th, 2014, 05:51 AM   #804
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Please see post #4370 in the thread Paris | Métro
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Old February 21st, 2014, 09:39 PM   #805
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The big enemy of many tram lovers, the Translohr !!!!
The line works fine but the line is very crowded.

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Old February 22nd, 2014, 01:32 AM   #806
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Translohr - all the disadvantages of a bus combined with the disadvantages of a tram!
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 03:32 PM   #807
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Well all the Paris tram lines are ''very overcrowded'', or at least that's been my experience. Whatever persuaded them to go for three-car units I don't know.

Translohr might just be, at a stretch, a workable solution for small towns IF it's a LOT cheaper than a tram. But it seems to me that T5 and T6 are basically costing as much as a tram line and delivering a less reliable and less efficient line that is unable to ever interoperate with any other tram line.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 10:19 PM   #808
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I don't know about the T4 and T7 but it is true that the other lines are very crowded.
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 10:27 PM   #809
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I am sure that on T5 a real tramway the size of T7 would have been much better.....T5 seems to be too small allready......They are going to have to lengthen the platforms or do something else......
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Old February 22nd, 2014, 11:00 PM   #810
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They have clearly underestimated the traffic.
The T5 was expected to carry 30,000 passengers per day, the traffic is already 50% above the estimation with 44,000 passengers.
STE3 of 23m are way too small.


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The Translohrs of T6 will be longer (STE6: 46 m) but the estimated traffic of the line is also much higher.
Another very crowded line in sight?

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What is the daily ridership for all the tram lines?
According the RATP website, the RATP tram network carries 725,000 passengers per day.
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This number doesn't include the Tram Train T4 which is operated by the SNCF.
T4 has about 35,000 daily passengers, it is the least used line.
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Old February 23rd, 2014, 06:38 PM   #811
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T4 has about 35,000 daily passengers, it is the least used line.
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I would say Esbly-Crécy line ;-)

This is a branch line with only 500 p/d
The trains have been replaced by one or two spare trams from T4.
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I don't know if I would count this line as a tram.
The use of tram train rolling stock is more like tinkering than the conversion of the line.

I was wrong anyway, for the moment the T7 has a lower ridership than the T4 with 29,000 passengers per day in January 2014.
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Are there possiblities to lengthen platforms or to add extra modules to Translohr'T5?Did they predict that it would so full?
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[QUOTE=lechevallierpatrick;111693761]Are there possiblities to lengthen platforms or to add extra modules to Translohr'T5?Did they predict that it would be so full?
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Are there possiblities to lengthen platforms or to add extra modules to Translohr'T5?Did they predict that it would be so full?

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I don't know.
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I would say Esbly-Crécy line ;-)

This is a branch line with only 500 p/d
The trains have been replaced by one or two spare trams from T4.
850 per day, approximately 300.000 a year.
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Hauts-de-Seine: first tests of the tramway on tires T6



The trainsets of the longest tram in France and especially on tire, start their "dynamic" testing southwest of Paris.
The line is sized to carry 80,000 passengers per day.
Opening in December 2014.
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http://www.mobilicites.com/fr_reseau...0_85_3103.html

Note that the T6 has the longest tram rolling in France (46m) if you don't count the Citadis 302 of the T2 which are running in two sets (65m).
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All tram lines have their specific rolling stock, right? Or there are some similiarities?
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Old February 27th, 2014, 11:22 AM   #820
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T2, T7 and and soon T8 have all Citadis 302 but the Citadis 302 of the T2 have a different design and tram made of two sets.
T7 and T8 have exactly the same rolling stock in both design and size, a common order was made to reduce cost.
Anyway as both lines will be unconnected and located at of the oposite size of the city, T7 and T8 will not share rolling stock.

T5 and T6 use Translohr but there is a difference of length.

The the rolling stock of the tram lines, those
T1: TFS
T2: Citadis 302 (2x32.2m)
T3a and T3b: Citadis 402
T4: Avanto S70 (Tram-Train)
T5: Lohr STE3
T6: Lohr STE6
T7 and T8: Citadis 302
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