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Old September 28th, 2014, 05:46 PM   #921
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RATP are really struggling with the success of the T3. Yesterday I was waiting to get in a tram at Cité Universitaire at 5:30pm with a baby carriage, with no success. The intervals at that hour are officially 6 minutes, but trams were coming at 8-9 minutes nominally (based on the monitors) but 11-12 minutes in reality. 100% delay is really a lot. What surprised me more, though, was that on the way back at around 8pm the tram was even more crowded, despite the 6 minutes interval being respected. It was so full that after a few stations there were people on the quais who would not be able to get in. Would have never thought of this period as of one of the weeks' ultimate rushhours. I wasn't with her, but the missus said the same about her ride at 11am this Sunday.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 09:22 PM   #922
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Paris tram network carried 190 million passengers in 2013, a big increase due to the numberous extension opened in the end of 2012 and in 2013.
That's really a lot, and fortunately there's much room (i.e. new lines) for growth.
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Old September 29th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #923
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RATP are really struggling with the success of the T3. Yesterday I was waiting to get in a tram at Cité Universitaire at 5:30pm with a baby carriage, with no success. The intervals at that hour are officially 6 minutes, but trams were coming at 8-9 minutes nominally (based on the monitors) but 11-12 minutes in reality. 100% delay is really a lot. What surprised me more, though, was that on the way back at around 8pm the tram was even more crowded, despite the 6 minutes interval being respected. It was so full that after a few stations there were people on the quais who would not be able to get in. Would have never thought of this period as of one of the weeks' ultimate rushhours. I wasn't with her, but the missus said the same about her ride at 11am this Sunday.
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Unfortunately, the Tram is also subjected to car traffic flow as there are many crossings.

For the southern branch T3A, many large crossings cause delays, especially the one at Porte d'Orleans and Porte d'Italie which see heavy traffic during rush hours.

And even though the traffic rules says it is forbidden for cars to stop on a crossing, many people don't follow this rule and try to force their way onto the tracks in traffic jams, blocking the trams at the same time...and possibly causing accidents....
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Old September 30th, 2014, 11:05 AM   #924
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Unfortunately, the Tram is also subjected to car traffic flow as there are many crossings.

For the southern branch T3A, many large crossings cause delays, especially the one at Porte d'Orleans and Porte d'Italie which see heavy traffic during rush hours.

And even though the traffic rules says it is forbidden for cars to stop on a crossing, many people don't follow this rule and try to force their way onto the tracks in traffic jams, blocking the trams at the same time...and possibly causing accidents....
This can indeed be a factor, though from my experience not as much as the fluctuations in boarding time. However in my case above it was the weekend so the traffic was not an issue at all, just the ridership.
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Old September 30th, 2014, 11:15 AM   #925
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Unfortunately, the Tram is also subjected to car traffic flow as there are many crossings.

For the southern branch T3A, many large crossings cause delays, especially the one at Porte d'Orleans and Porte d'Italie which see heavy traffic during rush hours.

And even though the traffic rules says it is forbidden for cars to stop on a crossing, many people don't follow this rule and try to force their way onto the tracks in traffic jams, blocking the trams at the same time...and possibly causing accidents....
That's exactly why i would have prefered a skytrain instead of a tramway
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Old September 30th, 2014, 11:38 AM   #926
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Unfortunately, the Tram is also subjected to car traffic flow as there are many crossings.

For the southern branch T3A, many large crossings cause delays, especially the one at Porte d'Orleans and Porte d'Italie which see heavy traffic during rush hours.

And even though the traffic rules says it is forbidden for cars to stop on a crossing, many people don't follow this rule and try to force their way onto the tracks in traffic jams, blocking the trams at the same time...and possibly causing accidents....
The main error of the T3 project was to decide to pass off the tramway on the road instead to use the Petite Ceinture (the old unused circular railway of Paris) to avoid the street traffic.
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Old October 1st, 2014, 09:26 PM   #927
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The main error of the T3 project was to decide to pass off the tramway on the road instead to use the Petite Ceinture (the old unused circular railway of Paris) to avoid the street traffic.
I don't agree. The petite ceinture is most of the time too far away from places were there are businesses or activities (this line runs in the middle of habitations) ; it would have been a nonsense in terms of ridership. Don't forget that, when it was open to passengers (until 1934), this line was a complete failure.

Moroever, it was an ubanistic choice : the goal was to retake place formerly dedicated to cars only and to improve the quality of life in the surroundings (the boulevards des maréchaux were really noisy and unattractive before the construction of the tram !).

As alexandru.mircea said, the main problems are only the ridership and the boarding time.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 10:13 PM   #928
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Viroflay–Rive-Gauche.
Unlike the rest of the line which is completed and will open in December 2014, the underground section in Viroflay will open later.
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Old October 2nd, 2014, 11:01 PM   #929
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It won't be first-ever Translohr-used tunnel in the world - Mestre was first
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Tram line 1 eastern extension was approved by STIF on the 1st October, groundbreaking - next year. Link in French:

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Old October 6th, 2014, 06:36 PM   #931
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Tram line 1 eastern extension was approved by STIF on the 1st October, groundbreaking - next year. Link in French:

but again delayed by two years to 2019 !
I live near the Théophile Sueur stop, and
I heard about this continuation for the first time in 1996 or 1997. In 2002, I participated in a meeting in my municipality with the mayor, who, at the time, found the term of 2006 too late . In 2019, I would be retired and needs will not be any more the same for me. There will be others, who have, until now, only the chaotic workings of a bus network, to say the least.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 08:47 PM   #932
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Mayors of Noisy-le-Sec have blocked this project several times.
They don't want the tram passes through the main street of Noisy-le-Sec.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 09:06 PM   #933
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Odd really... I loved the LRT/trams in Paris. Really complemented the rest of the rail network.
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Old October 6th, 2014, 11:49 PM   #934
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When a metropolis is divided into several hundred of different municipalities, nothing is odd.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8232041.stm
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Old October 6th, 2014, 11:53 PM   #935
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When a metropolis is divided into several hundred of different municipalities, nothing is odd.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8232041.stm
Hahaha! That has to be the most absurd thing I've read in a while! I had no idea things were that polarised between the districts. Do you think an overarching control like London with a strong mayor would help? Paris is so fantastic, it seems nonsensical that it could be held back by such petty actions.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 12:19 AM   #936
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Having a municipality covering most of Paris and its suburbs would help.

An intercommunal structure (Metropole du Grand Paris) covering Paris and its inner suburbs has been voted last year (it should be operational in 2016) but local mayors are doing there best to keep the maximum of power.
Because the national goverment is weak, we are quite worried about the future of Metropole du Grand Paris. It could become a powerless institution.
Most mayors in Paris area are against it, it is one of the few thing where left wing and right wing agree.
The Metropole du Grand Paris when entering in fuction would be governed by the conservative while the national government is socialist, this could dampen the enthusiasm of the government to promote a Greater Paris.

Fortunately, transportation in Paris area are managed at regional level.
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Does anyone know which one of the RATP / Vianavigo mobile apps uses real times for traffic, not just the fixed schedules? I recently tried taking a tram during a low frequency period using Vianavigo, and their times were way off.
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Old October 7th, 2014, 05:00 PM   #938
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The RATP application uses real time traffic, I don't know about Via Navigo.
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Is this line a full concrete bed rather than having grassed sections? The infrastructure looks really well presented all the same, though.
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