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Old December 13th, 2014, 08:19 PM   #961
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Huge crowds at Chatillion, courtesy of France 3:
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Old December 13th, 2014, 09:44 PM   #962
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I was here! The weather was bad, it was cold and it rained so I'll take more pictures another day.

Châtillon-Montrouge







Pavé Blanc

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Say good bye to the bus line 295 (Porte d'Orléans - Vélizy 2).
Its route is replaced by the tram T6 and bus line 388 (extented from Châtillon-Montrouge to Porte d’Orléans).


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Old December 13th, 2014, 09:50 PM   #963
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So, Minato, have you got any first impressions?
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:10 PM   #964
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Well, as always with the Translohr the ride is not as smooth as a steel tram but this is still more comfortable than a bus.
Unlike the T5, the rolling stock is long (46 m).
The ride is neither slow but neither very fast, it has quite sharp curves between Pavé Blanc and Vélizy 2 where it goes back to a more straight route.
Not everything was done in the stations, some still don't have their names displayed on signs but this is better than the opening of the T7 when most stations had no sign at the opening.

My impressions are rather positive.
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Old December 13th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #965
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Video of the T6's inauguration at Châtillon-Montrouge by ErebosSan
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Old December 14th, 2014, 02:31 AM   #966
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I will never understand the reason why Paris wants that shitty Translohr? Why? Do they want public transport Zoo, only to say oh look we have a rubber tired tram trolley bus hybrid orgasm thing

Slow, narrow, low space, riding quality very poor, shitty thing that alwas need cleaning the guiding rail.

Two idiot French cities, Caen and Nany already want to change to Tram, although they have another idiotic thinc not Translohr but almost the same rubbish. A lot of money to built and maintain and now they want Tram hahaha
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Old December 14th, 2014, 02:03 PM   #967
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Oh and BTW the hybrid thing they chose in Caen and Nancy has nothing to do with the Translohr which, whether you personally like this fact or not, is a true tramway.

Just like for example the rubber-tyred metros are true trains/metros as well, despite their tyres.

And if they chose the Translohr for the T6 line in Paris that's because it's a much more efficient system in climbing slopes than classic trams, knowing that this line crosses very hilly areas.
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Old December 14th, 2014, 11:44 PM   #968
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Châtillon Montrouge -- Vélizy Villacoublay

Clamart (Avenue Charles de Gaulle)


Vélizy (Avenue de l'Europe)


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Old December 15th, 2014, 02:12 AM   #969
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What about Translohr makes them good at hill-climbing? Conventional streetcars have been known to climb grades of up to 29% (29-Fineview line in Pittsburgh).
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I will never understand the reason why Paris wants that shitty Translohr? Why? Do they want public transport Zoo, only to say oh look we have a rubber tired tram trolley bus hybrid orgasm thing

Slow, narrow, low space, riding quality very poor, shitty thing that alwas need cleaning the guiding rail.

Two idiot French cities, Caen and Nany already want to change to Tram, although they have another idiotic thinc not Translohr but almost the same rubbish. A lot of money to built and maintain and now they want Tram hahaha
I dislike the tone of this post. Please keep the discussion respectful as to the merits of each individual system. It is a valid discussion to have, but when one comes to the discussion with such a disrespectful tone, it makes proper, structured discussion impossible to have.

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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:10 PM   #971
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Oh and BTW the hybrid thing they chose in Caen and Nancy has nothing to do with the Translohr which, whether you personally like this fact or not, is a true tramway.

Just like for example the rubber-tyred metros are true trains/metros as well, despite their tyres.

And if they chose the Translohr for the T6 line in Paris that's because it's a much more efficient system in climbing slopes than classic trams, knowing that this line crosses very hilly areas.
>Oh my god what slopes? hahah how many % are this slopes? Modern trams handle slopes very well 9% in Jerusalem, 11% in Augsburg, 10% in Tenerifa, Bombardier Flexity trams and Citadis trams run on this lines so please Paris doesn't have any slope close to that.

Translohrs can handle slopes up tp 13% as their brochure says that, well a normal tram can handle this too. So I do not see any reason for building that crapy thing.

And pleas it is not a tram, Tram is what runs on rails!!!!!!!
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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:13 PM   #972
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I dislike the tone of this post. Please keep the discussion respectful as to the merits of each individual system. It is a valid discussion to have, but when one comes to the discussion with such a disrespectful tone, it makes proper, structured discussion impossible to have.

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Buy the way I am not discussing anything, just saying what I think about Translohr and that's it. If that's disrespectful to the Translohrs they can sew me for offending their rubber tires, narrow body, and bumpy ride
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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:17 PM   #973
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Châtillon Montrouge -- Vélizy Villacoublay

[CENTER]Clamart (Avenue Charles de Gaulle)


Vélizy (Avenue de l'Europe)
Both picturess are in Châtillon, Avenue de Verdun.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 01:21 PM   #974
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Oh my god what slopes? [...] Paris doesn't have any slope close to that.
Wrong! You'll be surprised to learn that the T6 line has and will have several slopes up to 10%. (that's why, among other reasons, they chose the Translohr for this line...oh and sorry if they didn't ask for your expertise before making such a choice ..so, sorry for you again but deal with it, dear)

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a normal tram can handle this too.
Despite your so called certainties (so nicely expressed BTW ), some Citadis cannot so easily do so apparently, for example on the T3 line in Paris, near the Pte de Versailles Station there is a 7% (only ) slope on the line... and you know what about that? Several times on rainy days, I saw this 42m-long Citadis 402 tram full of passengers (myself included) making two attempts to climb this 'little' 7% slope (I admit it was quite funny to experiment).


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Anyway....

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Buy the way I am not discussing anything, just saying what I think about Translohr and that's it. If that's disrespectful to the Translohrs they can sew me for offending their rubber tires, narrow body, and bumpy ride
You're now being disingenuous. You're just throwing out opinions as fact. Whilst you can have an opinion, it is best to phrase it as such and do so in a constructive manner.

Final warning, reply nicely without expletives and without rudeness or don't post here on this subject. Thank you.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #976
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I remember taking the bus once (2-3 years ago) on this route, from Porte d'Orléans to the Clamart hospital, when the works were already started. There were quite a few hilly bits, I'll be curious to see if I can identify them on Street View.
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Old December 15th, 2014, 03:48 PM   #977
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The south of Chatillon is pretty hilly. I think you are looking for Avenue de Verdun.
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Wrong! You'll be surprised to learn that the T6 line has and will have several slopes up to 10%. (that's why, among other reasons, they chose the Translohr for this line...oh and sorry if they didn't ask for your expertise before making such a choice ..so, sorry for you again but deal with it, dear)



Despite your so called certainties (so nicely expressed BTW ), some Citadis cannot so easily do so apparently, for example on the T3 line in Paris, near the Pte de Versailles Station there is a 7% (only ) slope on the line... and you know what about that? Several times on rainy days, I saw this 42m-long Citadis 402 tram full of passengers (myself included) making two attempts to climb this 'little' 7% slope (I admit it was quite funny to experiment).




Anyway....
I do not have to deal with anything, I do not even live there, do not have to ride them.

Hahaha Citadis trams are rubbish, everyone knows that, they are only beautiful, but technically they're nothing, a complete rubbish. Apparentely they need stronger trams on T3 how come they didn't think that

Although Citadis Trams ruun in Jerusalem on 9% slopes quite easily, as well as in Tenerifa on 10% slopes, the whole Tenerifa is a city on hills.

If a tram in France can not handle 10% that is problem for France, and their tramway production, Bombardier Flexity's in Augsburg handle 11% and they are 43 meters long.

Is that an excuse to construct a translohr system? they're freaking narrow 2.20 mm no space in them. Bumpy ride, and that roller coaster guiding system that need special care to maintain. And they are slower than trams.

So please do not tell me that Paris had to constract that because there was no other way, when Citadis trams are so bad they can buy trams from Bombardier which are way cooler then all the production of Alstom.
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And pleas it is not a tram, Tram is what runs on rails!!!!!!!
It's a tram on tyres. Except the wheels and the bogies, the rest is very similar to a classic tram.
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It's a tram on tyres. Except the wheels and the bogies, the rest is very similar to a classic tram.
Tram on tires

It is Translohr not a Tram that's why it has name TRANSLOHR. a completely new mode of transport.

Let's call then trolleybuses a bus with horns
Or trackless bus with horns

Let's call bus, tram on tires without catenary and electricity.

what is wrong with people, for AMERICANS everything that runs on rails is TRAIN.
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