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Old July 6th, 2008, 07:57 PM   #81
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The ultimate Ile-de-France public transport map. It's getting better by the week.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 03:44 AM   #82
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The ultimate Ile-de-France public transport map. It's getting better by the week.
Looks like a very good tool by the RATP. What I like is that they've included all RATP and SNCF-managed lines, including the entire Transilien, OrlyVal, Tram lines, the new CDGVAL, and even the new Voguéo.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 10:13 AM   #83
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thats great a thread of the paris light rail system i really am interested in this.

so three lines are owned by RATP and the other by Translien why is that though?
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Old July 7th, 2008, 11:29 AM   #84
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Just to clarify, SNCF is the other company, I believe Translinien is their branding.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 12:03 PM   #85
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Transillien is just the name of the suburban train service of the SNCF in Paris metro area.
It is a branding like TGV, Corail or TER.

T4 is a old suburban train line that was converted in the Tram Train line.

T2 is also in an old suburban line (Moulineaux line), RATP transformed it in a tramway line.

The last day of the Moulineaux line in 1993 (see the third rail like most suburban line before the 1970's)



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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:04 PM   #86
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Are the Paris trams 1- or 2-way?
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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:51 PM   #87
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???

They are double ended, like nearly all new tramway systems.

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The Parisian system is quite weird because no one of these lines are connected to an other light rail lines.
The situation will soon change with the extention of T2 at Porte de Versailles (T3)
And even then, the tracks of the two lines will not be connected because the T2 uses trams 2.40 m wide, the T3, 2.65 m wide.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 07:13 PM   #88
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When I say connected it is not necessary sharing the same tracks but having a common station. (exactly like the metro or RER)
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They are double ended, like nearly all new tramway systems.
OK, I meaned "have they 1 or 2 cabins?"
So, according to you, they have 2. ok.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 02:30 AM   #90
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so T2 used to be a surburban line ohhh

which line of the light Rail lines end in la defense and do they go to Gare du nord?

also i see in that picture of the RER as well?
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Old July 9th, 2008, 02:40 AM   #91
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Only the T2 go in la Defense but it stop at Issy Val de Seine.
There is not light rail line in Gare du Nord.

Issy Val de Seine.
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In Issy Val de Seine there is the RER C.

In La Defense, the T2 is in same place that the suburban lines, but don't confuse these suburban lines with the RER.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 10:44 AM   #92
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Well, on the video, the different trains or trams you can see :

- Z 6400 (one deck, blue with red and white doors) : Transilien L, which come from "gare St-Lazare" and go to "St-Nom-la-Bretèche" and "Versailles Rive Droite"

- Z 8800 (or Z 20500, it's hard to see) (double deck, blue and white with red doors) : Transilien U, La Défense - La Verrière : this is a line which never enter Paris itself. This line is a connexion between St-Lazare and Montparnasse suburbans lines.

- Citadis 302 (light rail, black and green outside, orange inside) : T2, the second light rail in the big Paris, between "La Défense" and "Issy-Val de Seine". As Minato said, it's an old suburban line extended to La Défense - it was first terminus at "Puteaux". Extension in progress to Porte de Versailles in the south and Pont de Bezons in the north.

Not on video, but at La Défense there's also the RER A.
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Old July 9th, 2008, 03:16 PM   #93
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Actually no tram run at Place d'Italie
In an other way there is a tram in Porte d'Italie (not so far at about 1.5 km of Place d'Italie following the Avenue d'Italie)



Pictures by JP.

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Avenue d'Italie

Porte de Choisy one stop after Porte d'Italie




A tram and the high-rises of Chinatown
Thats the one I was thinking of!
Got confused between locations!
Looked like a good tramway!
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In La Defense, the T2 is in same place that the suburban lines, but don't confuse these suburban lines with the RER.
Can Transilien lines be considered RER lines with a stub terminus inside Paris, instead of a tunnel passing the centre?
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Not exactly, in any case the Transilien would be closer to an LRT than a heavy rail system like the RER.
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Not exactly, in any case the Transilien would be closer to an LRT than a heavy rail system like the RER.
Trains that run on the tracks of the SNCF can never be a light rail. Transilien is exactly what Coccodrillo assumed, a rail network like RER whose lines unlike RER terminate in the grand termini of Paris
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Old August 5th, 2008, 02:49 AM   #97
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I love those Citadis trams! Parisians, are they running well and without major problems? What does RATP say?
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No, no problem.
In one and half years, I only heard of two fatally accident with pedestrian (Of course the dead is the pedestrian) and two accidents (without injuries) with cars.
In these case it was not due at the tram but at the pedestrians and the cars that don't respect the traffic signal.

Nothing else, it work well. The only big problem with the T3 is its speed.
With 18 km/h on average speed this tram is too slow.
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Old August 5th, 2008, 05:37 AM   #99
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oh man are there going to be more trams you know i think london has a tram system now and they are expanding on it but Paris tram system is great i hope more lines are planned to sevre areas with not much buses or Rail transport you know.
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No, no problem.
In one and half years, I only heard of two fatally accident with pedestrian (Of course the dead is the pedestrian) and two accidents (without injuries) with cars.
In these case it was not due at the tram but at the pedestrians and the cars that don't respect the traffic signal.

Nothing else, it work well. The only big problem with the T3 is its speed.
With 18 km/h on average speed this tram is too slow.
Minato ku, what are the average speeds of the other tram lines? How great is the exclusivity level of the lines? I saw in the photos that some tram lines runs at dedicated rail lines, but T3 runs in a very integrated environment. What is the maximum velocity for the T3 trams in the places showed in your photos (those quoted by MelbourneCity - very eye candy photos!)?
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