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Old December 21st, 2014, 03:15 PM   #1041
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Bonjour!What would be the use of a connection between T1 and T8?A new line?
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Old December 21st, 2014, 04:44 PM   #1042
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I don't know, nothing is planned for now.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 12:31 AM   #1043
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Does anyone have any photos of the underground section of T6?

Many thanks.
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Old December 23rd, 2014, 01:50 PM   #1044
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Does anyone have any photos of the underground section of T6?

Many thanks.

Some videos about the tunnel boring machine.

http://www.lemoniteur.fr/147-transpo...-t6-a-viroflay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXkEMaWVxoQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxoW06lwzY8
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Old December 24th, 2014, 10:55 AM   #1045
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Weekday ridership of the tram lines according a document distributed by STIF during the opening of T6

179,000 passangers
196,000 passengers
181,000 passengers
90,000 passengers
34,300 passnegers
49,000 passengers
23,000 passengers

Prevision
82,000 passengers
60,400 passengers
70,000 passengers
25,000 passengers

The ridership of the T7 is rather disappointing, I hope it will get better in the future, especially with the extension to Juvisy.
They hope 40,000 passengers in this extension.
The line that the T7 replaces was linking Villejuif Louis Aragon with Juvisy.

The T10 seems rather useless, this is more like a gift to make happy some suburban mayors (including the President of the general council of the powerful Hauts-de-Seine department).

With the two planned extensions of the T1 would have 110,000 passengers. With the opening of those, the line T1 will be cut in two.
The extension of the T3b would have 76,000 passengers
The extension of the T4 would have 37,000 passengers
Hmmmm It's sad that they are cutting line 1 in 2 parts.

Line 6 first underground tram in France?
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Old December 24th, 2014, 11:50 AM   #1046
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No: Lille (some underground sections built in the eighties) and first and foremost Marseille (Noailles terminus, 0,6 km long tunnel ) since 1893
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Old December 24th, 2014, 12:26 PM   #1047
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Rouen tram is underground downtown with several stations and Strasbourg tram has an underground station for the main railway station.

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Hmmmm It's sad that they are cutting line 1 in 2 parts.
With those extensions, it will take more than 2 hours to go from one side to the other of the T1.
Today it takes 64 minutes to link Asnières Genevilliers Les Courtilles to Gare de Noisy-le-Sec. .
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Old December 26th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #1048
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Congratulation for the two new tram lines!
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 02:53 PM   #1049
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If you don't mind a more abstract, hypothetical discussion... I was thinking, how would you improve the surface transport in Paris proper? Having had to use almost exclusively surface transport for a while, I realized that the demand for it is much higher than I would have thought, and it is IMO not met, nowhere near.

Trams? I'm not a fan of trams in historical city centres, but I would maybe accept it for the main, wider routes, of which in Paris there are plenty. Long busses? Dunno.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 08:43 PM   #1050
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Many bus lines have become articulated in the last few years.
It was good news when the line 170 became articulated in December because this line was really crowded.

I am rather against building tramway in Central Paris, this area is already very well served by the Metro.
This would be wasted money at the expense of other places that really lack of transportation.
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Old January 2nd, 2015, 11:20 PM   #1051
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this area is already very well served by the Metro.
Not really, the Métro leaves out a lot of people, which is exactly the reason why I write now as I could experience it myself. Paris (anywhere in it) isn't well served if you are: an old person, a pregnant woman, a parent with a baby carriage, someone travelling with moderately large/heavy luggage, someone with a medical condition etc. If you are one such person you'll look for a surface transport option, only to find it, too often, from crowded to genuinely impossible to use. There are a lot of people who take the bus for short rides because it fits better with their route, there are the tourists who take the bus instead of the metro because this way they can also see the city, there are the people who feel claustrophobic down in the underground, people who feel depressed by the lack of natural light and views (and I mean in a pathological sense, this is a serious issue), people who simply "like" it more at the surface, people who don't like the smell in the underground etc. Some of these people could be incentivized to use the Métro more, especially outside of rush hours, but that would be way more expensive than using articulated buses on all lines or other such solutions.

Also, why do you say money should be prioritzed for other & more lacking areas? Is public transport infrastructure spending centralized on a regional level and therefore Parisian money can go to non-Parisian projects? Or there are still underdeveloped parts of Paris (in terms of transport)? Thanks!
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 12:37 AM   #1052
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So improve metro stations instead of expanding slower and crappy service.
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Old January 3rd, 2015, 06:50 PM   #1053
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Also, why do you say money should be prioritzed for other & more lacking areas? Is public transport infrastructure spending centralized on a regional level and therefore Parisian money can go to non-Parisian projects? Or there are still underdeveloped parts of Paris (in terms of transport)? Thanks!
As you might know the administration in Paris is rather complicated, as the communes, départements, the region and the state all have power when it comes to public transit, though it growingly relies on the region. The STIF is the transport authority in greater Paris, funded by the communes, the départements, the IdF region, the central State, companies and users. It funds the RATP, the SNCF, and other various bus operators such as Transdev or Keolis, as well as it funds a huge part of the investment in public transit in the IdF region. This year, the STIF plans to invest a little bit more than 1 billion € to improve public transit, mostly to buy new trains, buses, expand the growing tram network, and study for other various lines. As Minato said before, expanding the tram network in central Paris would be a waste of money, as the metro network there is very dense. However, there are many areas where public transit coverage is bad, mostly to what is called "suburb to suburb" transit. The problem is that jobs and housing are increasingly being concentrated in these areas, where often the only transit option apart from car is the end of a radial métro-line. This is the reason why for years there's been a strong push for new transit lines in these area - resulting in cheap tram lines (T1, T2, T3, T5, T6, T7, T8, soon Tangentielle Nord and T9) and the grand paris express project, which is the priority of the central state, the region the département, the communes... well almost everyone. To sum up, Paris proper has little power when it comes to transit, the STIF and central state are the real masters there. And their priority is the grand paris express, and if it gets a little bit funded we'll all be lucky.

Link to the projected new transit lines (grand paris express)

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Thanks a lot, that is very useful, and it makes sense. Given how expensive tram projects are, I agree they should never be done in inner Paris ahead of channeling the funds for "suburb to suburb" projects. Articulate buses should be cheap and efficient enough to do the trick, then.
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Some French cities do trams on the cheap. Almost always, though, tramways are part of larger street regeneration projects which involve serious reconstruction of the right-of-way to extent and in ways that are not required to run trams at all, and also almost never applied to busway projects.
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Old January 5th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #1056
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Old January 22nd, 2015, 08:24 PM   #1057
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A new SIEL version for the new bus shelters inside the City of Paris.
This version is bigger and then can provide more information than just the next bus arrivals.


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Old January 22nd, 2015, 09:06 PM   #1058
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That's a really good move in my opinion. Looks like nice screens too.
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The big change with the new shelters is the exterior countdown clocks.





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Stumbled upon this article hyping the Tram Express Nord, but also having some useful info: http://gpmetropole.fr/blog/plus-impo...-express-nord/
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