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Old February 9th, 2015, 01:08 AM   #1101
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But don't forget that the central transportation network in Paris is the metro, RER and suburban trains.
Trams are just to fill gap.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:17 AM   #1102
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But don't forget that the central transportation network in Paris is the metro, RER and suburban trains.
Trams are just to fill gap.
And they can fill more gaps if interconnected, or form a back-up. The metro and RER both have overcrowding issues. If the trams take off some and have a healthy ridership, might that not be cheaper than expanding the metro and/or RER networks (not that that won't be necessary anyway).
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Old February 9th, 2015, 11:27 AM   #1103
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Trams have already a healthy ridership, Paris has one of busiest network in Europe.
Paris needs more metro and other Rapid transit lines, trams are too slow and don't have enough capacity. It can't be use for long journey.
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:17 PM   #1104
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Trams are much cheaper to build than Métro lines.....
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Old February 9th, 2015, 02:20 PM   #1105
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Trams have already a healthy ridership, Paris has one of busiest network in Europe.
Paris needs more metro and other Rapid transit lines, trams are too slow and don't have enough capacity. It can't be use for long journey.
Trams are slow in France, because you plan the lines and build them so that they must be slow. Well and Citadis trams are only beautiful but technically

Even in Poland where the tramway systems have outdated tracks run faster then french Citadis trams on new tracks.

And Germany, the fastest tram systems in the world on normal shared streets!!!!
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Old February 9th, 2015, 03:13 PM   #1106
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Paris has 12 million inhabitants, it is not a medium sized city like in Germany.
There is a higher density of population, more people, more traffic and we don't have wide streets like in Moscow, especially in suburbs.
Trams mixed with traffic in long section in small street means trams stuck in traffic jams.

Trams are maybe cheaper but they don't have the efficiency of the metro.
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Old February 10th, 2015, 02:16 AM   #1107
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Trams double tracks are no more than 6/7 meters wide.
No needs of wide streets like Moscow (such streets are suitable and attractive for private cars)
Trams running on reserved tracks, are greater, more comfortable, and more attractive than buses.
The matter is not to compare metro against trams,
but to build may be ...20 or 25 trams lines instead of 20/25 bus lines with the highest ridership.
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Old February 10th, 2015, 03:18 AM   #1108
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The trams and buses in Paris are so beautiful and modern!!! I wish we could take some to the USA to replace some of the ugly excuses we have here! Also, I stand by my opinion that Translohr and any other guided bus, fake tram is a complete waste of money and a really stupid idea. If it were a full tram on steel wheels, it would not have a problem with snow due to the extreme pressure on the rail surface and narrow width. Also, it makes it impossible to plant a nice green route along the line like has been done with the trams.

While a full metro in tunnels would be preferred, trams and streetcars are the next best option, far ahead of buses.
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Old February 10th, 2015, 06:47 PM   #1109
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From Railway Gazette:

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RATP board approves T7 extension
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FRANCE: The board of Paris transport operator RATP has formally approved the draft plans for a southern extension of tram line T7 from Athis-Mons to Juvisy, where an interchange will be provided with RER lines C and D.

Being promoted by Ile de France transport authority STIF, the extension was originally planned to open in 2018, but is now expected to be completed by 2021. Running for 3·7 km, including around 900 m in tunnel, the extension will serve six stops in the districts of Athis-Mons, Paray-Vieille-Poste and Juvisy-sur-Orge. One stop would also be underground

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Old February 11th, 2015, 10:36 PM   #1110
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Can the Mobilis ticket be purchased on buses, or from ticket machines at tram stops?
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One thing bugs me: I don't want to say that the Paris Metro were somehow complicated, but I'm afraid that the Franciliens will have to stick with two metro maps in the long run: one for Paris proper and one for Grand Paris Express plus the tramway, each with an appropriate scale. What do you think?
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Old February 12th, 2015, 03:53 AM   #1112
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Can the Mobilis ticket be purchased on buses
Nope.

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or from ticket machines at tram stops?
Not sure....but I don't think so (). ....anyway, ratp.fr is your friend..


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Old February 12th, 2015, 04:03 AM   #1113
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Old February 12th, 2015, 05:03 AM   #1114
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Too much pastel, not enough contrast.

I can't tell what half the things are.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 09:09 AM   #1115
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The RATP site says

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Mobilis est en vente dans toutes les stations de métro, de bus, du tramway et des gares du RER, ou encore chez certains commerces agréés RATP.
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My French isn't very good but I think that means you can buy it at metro stations, on buses, on the tramway, RER stations and certain other outlets.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 02:06 PM   #1116
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Quel dommage et quel gaspillage.....Avec le tramway il n'y aurait pas eu de problemes....
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What a shame and what a waste.....With the tramway it would have had no problems....
The T6 line was blocked because of the snow a day of January. The T5 line is equiped whis Translohr trams. No problem reported the same day. At the end of Decembre, it snowed in the region. No problem reported.

The T6 line is very recent. It was the first winter since the opening of the line. In France, some other networks also experienced problems with the snow during the first years of service. And yet, these networks are equipped with normal trams.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 09:39 PM   #1117
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Can someone confirm please if my understanding of the French in my post above is right?

In other words, you can buy Mobilis from the bus driver or the tram stop machine.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 09:52 PM   #1118
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You can't buy Mobilis from the bus driver.
Bus drivers only sell (sans correspondance) ticket at two euros.
This ticket is more expensive than the normal ticket, works only in bus and you can't make transfer between bus lines.

You can buy Mobilis from the tram stop machine.
Tram stations have exactly the same kind of machine than the metro stations.
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Old February 12th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #1119
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You can't buy Mobilis from the bus driver.
Bus drivers only sell (sans correspondance) ticket at two euros.
This ticket is more expensive than the normal ticket, works only in bus and you can't make transfer between bus lines.

You can buy Mobilis from the tram stop machine.
Tram stations have exactly the same kind of machine than the metro stations.
Thanks. So is

http://www.ratp.fr/en/ratp/c_21148/mobilis/

wrong, or my translation?
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Yeah, that's exactly the problem.
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