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Old July 8th, 2008, 04:24 AM   #21
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Check your facts. The ARU is considering moving back to Moore Park as they want to make the SFS 55,000 capacity after their agreement with the Homebush people ends in 2011.

Rugby fans are complaining that it takes too long to get out there, public transport does not always run, car parks are not available and most of all the place has no atmosphere.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #22
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The Atlanta Stadium and Omni Coliseum may be the only venues used for a Summer Olympics to have passed away after the event. A 10,000-seat venue named the Blyth Arena in Squaw Valley was the main venue for the 1960 Winter Olympics and it passed away in 1983. Have any other non-temporary sports venues passed away after they were used for an Olympics? I know the White City Stadium has been one of those.
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Old July 10th, 2008, 03:03 PM   #23
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Check your facts. The ARU is considering moving back to Moore Park as they want to make the SFS 55,000 capacity after their agreement with the Homebush people ends in 2011.

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what facts?...some silly article written by an Eastern Suburbs journo(Greg Growden) who doesnt like sitting 15 minutes on the train from Central Stadium to Olympic Park....The ARU will not take away Rugby Internationals from Homebush..and there is no plans to expand the SFS to 55,000...none from the SCG trust and none from the NSW state government.....simple as that
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 12:25 AM   #24
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What did the Olympic Games change in your city?

Actually this is an open question to the forumers from the countries wich hosted Olympics before (we can include China as well). Maybe LA, Seoul, Barcelona, Atlanta, Sydney, Athens, Bejing. And even former Games, like Moscow or Munich.

What did Olympic Games give to your city? What did Olympics change in your city?

Not only in the meaning of sport complexes. In everything, infrasutructur, urban transformation, culture, tourism ect.

And if it is possible, could you explain with photos?

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Old August 3rd, 2008, 08:27 AM   #25
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The games had a profound impact on the city of Atlanta and many in the Atlanta metro area consider the Games to be instrumental in transforming Atlanta into the modernized city it has become. One example of this modernization is the mid-rise dormitories built for the Olympic Village. One of these complexes became the first residential housing for Georgia State University, and has recently been transferred for use by the Georgia Institute of Technology. Other examples include Turner Field, which was a modification of the original Centennial Olympic Stadium, and where the Atlanta Braves baseball team now makes its home. Centennial Olympic Park was also built for the events and is still in use.

Atlanta used no public money to finance the Games, which cost US$1.8 billion to host. It was the first city in Olympic history to use ticket sales, commercial endorsements, advertising, and private money alone to fund the hosting of the Olympics. The consequence of this, however, was that some felt that the Games in Atlanta were over-commercialized and were less exciting than previous Games.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 08:57 AM   #26
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At least the taxpayer didn't have to pick up the tab. I am always for private funding to save the taxpayers money. Atlanta did a great job hosting the Olympics. People around the world know Atlanta as a result of putting on a great Olympics.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 03:01 PM   #27
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is Olympics efective on Winter Games host cities?
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 03:30 PM   #28
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Olympic Games 1928 in Amsterdam

The goverment of the Netherlands was against the Olympic Games. Especially right wing parties were against it because certain people saw it as an act of paganism.

This was a problem, because it couldn't be funded by the government. It had to be funded by the people itself and companies. The city of Amsterdam bought Schiphol Airport to improve the airport. Just in time of the Olympic Games major improvements were made. For Amsterdam itself and it's people it was not a commercial success, but the loss was very small (far less than prior Olympic Games). For the sport itself it did a great job, especially for women. Not only in Amsterdam, but also in the rest of the country.
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Old August 3rd, 2008, 03:53 PM   #29
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Melbourne held the Olympics way back in 1956...the first in the southern hemisphere...back then it truely must have felt a long way away from the rest of the world. Television although not instantly, no satelites then, spread events around the globe. It gave the City a sporting complex right beside the heart of the business district and was the first city to have the athletes enter the closing ceremony arena mixed together, not segregated by country flags or banners...The Friendly games...I think the legacy it left Melbourne and Australia was that we are a place of friendly, free and welcoming people. This also laid in place the foundations for Melbourne to host a successful Commonwealth Games in 2006...and World Swimming Championships in 2007. Finally, leaves Melbourne today as arguably the worlds most International sporting city.....and a strong contender for another Olympics in the future.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 01:21 AM   #30
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Are you serious? They had no choice really but to find some use for venues.

Some cities just prefer making those decision before hand.
Most of the major venues (including the Olympic Indoor Hall) were used by major sports teams before the Olympics as well. In terms of at least major venues (Olympic Stadium, sports halls, football grounds) most Olympic venues have found suitable uses.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 01:56 AM   #31
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They were unused for a while though.

Please provide images of all the venues in use.
I believe that they are in use but I don't understand how the BBC could produce a news insert as recent as last year showing some venues still locked up.
Olympic Stadium - Used by both Panathinaikos, AEK FC


Olympic Indoor Hall - Panathinaikos BC


Karaiskaki Stadium - Olympiacos FC


Peace and Friendship Stadium - Olympicos BC


Olympic Press Center - Golden Hall Shopping Mall
http://www.goldenhall.gr/

Olympic Broadcasting Center - HelExpo Convention/Expo Center


Elliniko Indoor Hall - Panionios BC


Kaftantzoglio Stadium -Iraklis FC
http://www.kaftanzoglio.gr/en/index.html


Pankritiko Stadium - Ergotelis FC, OFI FC
http://www.stadia.gr/pankritio/pankritio26th.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgDfeeC9boM


Galatsi Indoor Hall - Currently being developed into a shopping Center (was
host to AEK BC after the Olympics for a few years)
- Dont have pics

Elliniko Baseball Stadium - Ethnikos FC


Faliro Tae Kwon Do Hall - Concert Hall (hosts many concerts yearly)
[IMG]http://cache.***********.com/xc/52567998.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=780858ABC91EC2149C11F11F4584E417A40A659CEC4C8CB6[/IMG]

Goudi Badminton Center - Badminton Theater (one of the most heavily used theaters in Athens)
http://www.badmintontheater.gr/


This is off the top of my head, maybe I missed a couple. I don't think anyone is saying that the Organizing Committee did the best job in the world planning out the post games use from the venues, however the games have left a great legacy in Athens as the city now has not only much improved sports complexes but infastructure as well. If you compare the city itself pre-Olympics and post-Olympics you will see the great difference. Many works were done for the games that have had a lasting effect on the city and country.

The BBC and other media outlets have painted a much darker picture than the actual reality. A recent yahoo.com article actually stated that 21 of the 22 Olympic venues in Athens are not in use! This is an obvious mistake (so not to say outright lie) which gives people who don't totally know the real situation in Athens a very distorted view of the legacy of the 2004 Olympics.

Are ALL the venues being used? No they aren't.. However most of them have found long term useage after the games, and along with the major improvements in infastructure in Athens, the Olympic complexes are really anything but "white elephants".

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Old March 24th, 2009, 03:06 AM   #32
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Μπορεί κάποιος να κάνει thread στο completed section για το Ολυμπιακό στάδιο; Με φωτογραφίες από την κατασκευή του, οικόνες αρχείου, τη ανακατασκεύη του 2004 κτλ; Είναι το μόνο μεγάλο στάδιο που δεν υπάρχει εκεί και δεν έχω πολλές φωτογραφίες εγώ.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 10:11 AM   #33
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Most of the major venues (
Most?

Most were not there before the Games...
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Old March 24th, 2009, 10:14 AM   #34
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What I'd like to know, is if this entire article is a lie?
Its fairly recent.

I have no doubt the main stadium and basketball venue is being used.
That the softball venue is now used for football, another used as a theatre.


The 2004 Olympic legacy that London must avoid
Robert Mendick
06.02.09

A diving pool with four inches of stagnant water, brand new stadia mothballed and derelict, an Olympic complex all but abandoned and strewn with litter and graffiti — this is the legacy from the Athens Olympics in 2004.

An Evening Standard investigation has uncovered Olympic venues which remain unused and barred to the public just five years on — in a stark warning for organisers of the London Games. On the day Mayor Boris Johnson and Olympics minister Tessa Jowell announce a new company to “secure a lasting legacy” in the wake of London 2012, the size of the task that confronts them is obvious — if the Athens experience is anything to go by.

Venue after venue of the 2004 Games, visited by the Standard, is in disrepair. Graffiti covers stadia walls; weeds grow through walkways once used by spectators and athletes; litter spills out across empty plazas while metal fences and padlocked gates bar entry.

At the main Olympic site, ornamental fountains have long been switched off, the pools filled with torn flyers for, among other things, “live strip shows”. The area is all but empty. Water has been drained from the diving pool, which is now home to a flip-flop, ball, plastic bags and polystyrene cups.

The velodrome is ghostly quiet. Bird droppings cover the seating, the backs of which have also been spray-painted with graffiti.

At the Olympic village — converted to a workers' housing settlement in the north of Athens — the plaque to commemorate the Games is covered by spray paint while the central promenade is overgrown with weeds and blighted by dog mess, whisky bottles, cracked paving stones and — perhaps not surprisingly — spray paint cans.

Meanwhile a vast Olympic park at Helleniko that should have been created on the site of Athens' old airport — providing residents with welcome relief from the city's traffic-clogged streets and pollution — remains an abject wasteland. A rusting Boeing 747, emblazoned with the graffiti slogan “Chill High”, stands on the edge of what should be a splendid public park while three Olympic stadia, once venues for hockey, baseball and softball go to waste. The fencing venue is nothing more than a derelict concrete hangar.

When the Standard reporter and photographer arrived at the Helleniko site, a southern suburb on the coast about four miles from the city centre, our way was barred by security guards.

After 24 hours of negotiation, the Standard, escorted by three minders, was finally given access to a site normally shut to the public. Photographs were allowed, provided they did not include close-ups.

Neither the hockey nor softball stadium has been used since 2004 while the baseball arena has been converted into an ill-fitting football ground for a Greek second division side.

Millions of pounds a year are wasted maintaining sites the public cannot visit. “We test the facilities every day,” said one of the minders working for a subcontractor of the parent company Hellenic Olympic Properties. “The softball is in perfect working order. It is not abandoned. It's just that nobody ever plays softball.”

Asked why the 5,000-seat hockey arena had not seen a match since the Olympics, another minder laughed: “Hockey in Greece. Ha ha ha.”

A spokeswoman for Hellenic Olympic Properties, a state-owned company created by the government to manage and lease venues at Helleniko and down the road at Faliro — which should have regenerated the areas — admitted: “The children are only interested in basketball and football. All the other Olympic sports — nobody has any interest.”

What went wrong in Athens at an Olympics that cost $15 billion will make disquieting reading for those charged with ensuring the legacy is not wasted in London. The Greeks lagged so far behind in staging the Games — there were fears right up until the opening ceremony that venues would not be ready. Nobody considered what would be done with stadia after the athletes had left town.

There have been improvements — an updated metro, a tram along the waterfront, improved roads and new airport — but those achievements, which could have been built with or without an Olympics, are overshadowed by the subsequent failures.

The matter was not helped by a change of government four months before the Olympics, when the conservative New Democracy party took power from the socialist PASOK.

Since December, when 15-year-old Alexander Grigoropoulos was shot dead by police, the Greek capital has been in the grip of a mass riots, strikes and anti-government demonstrations.
“The Olympics has failed to inspire a generation of kids,” says Barney Spender, editor of sportingreece.com. “Going out and throwing rocks at policemen has become the national sport. Athens was really thrown up.

“They got the Games in 1997 but then only started building three years before. They wasted three years doing nothing but arguing and nothing got done. Nobody had a plan for the legacy. There was no unified structure. It's a big mess really.”

Ioannis Georganas, 35, an archaeologist, who is typical of a disaffected population, said: “During the Olympics, Athens was a lively, happy city. Everybody was smiling all the time. There was something different in the atmosphere but unfortunately after it all finished people went back to their routines and that was it. We never built on that momentum to do more. We missed the opportunity.”

In 2004 the hosts were 16th in the medals table with six golds. In Beijing last year, Greece won two bronze and two silvers, finishing 59th. Child obesity levels are among Europe's highest.

London 2012 organisers are confident the lessons of Athens have been absorbed. The setting up of a legacy company is a step on the road to securing the site's future success. London at least has a plan. That's more than can be said for Athens.
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Thanks for the pics.
You should add the dates to the images and send them to UK news agencies.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 11:12 AM   #36
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lol someone is jealous about the Olympics, haha. Half of the article is irrelevant about the game (what have the December events have to do with them lol)

Tell me, what is your problem if all the venues are being converted in either football or basketball? You have some serious issues with us when you post articles like that. Yes people, Athens gained by the Olympics more things than any other Olympic city could gain. You can be jealous, you can quote British hate articles, but thats the truth. And since almost all the main venues have hosted games the last week I challenge you to go and find pictures and info about derelict Olympic buildings.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 06:24 PM   #37
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In all honestly Mo, I don't know what you're trying to prove. I give you a through listing of 13 Olympic venues that are in regular use and yet you seem to brush it aside. Do you not believe what I am saying is true? I do live in Athens, and I have been to events at many of these stadia since the end of 2004, I really have no reason to make anything up.

Nor am I saying that the games Organizing Committee did a great job of post-Olympic planning. Many of these venues took a while to find final suitors, however the situation really isn't that bad, and aside from some venues like the Hockey, Softball arenas which would be hard pressed o find post Olympics use in Greece, most of the other venues are being used in some shape or form, whether it be as sports venues, theaters, shopping centers, convention halls, etc...

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Thanks for the pics.
You should add the dates to the images and send them to UK news agencies.
I really don't care enough to do such a thing. People will make their own conclusions based on sketchy evidence and exaggerations of the truth. The article stated that the OAKA complex is in despair and just a series of "empty plazas". What he failed to mention is that although the pool and Velodrome might not be heavily used, the main stadium (centerpiece of the games) as well as the main indoor hall, tennis center are all used regularly. The Olympic Stadium itself is probably the most heavily used in modern Olympic history. Since the games two of Greece's biggest teams have played all their League, Cup, European Cup games in the stadium. Additionally the venue has hosted the likes of Shakira, Madonna, George Michaels, etc....

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Most?

Most were not there before the Games...
The Olympic Stadium, Indoor Hall, and most of the football grounds were there (in some shape or form) before the games.

Like I said, you need to judge other additions to Athens as well. The road work , infrastructure projects, etc... have greatly enhanced getting around in the city. All in all the games gave a lot to Greece.
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I do believe you and am quite aware of all the benefits of the Games.
My main interest is the venues.

So its just hockey and 1 or 2 others not in use?

I've seen recent images of the Olympic Park, why does the area look like it hasnt been cleaned in a while? I'll check how recent these images are but please don't misinterpret my questions as being negative or anti-Athens.

There is a clear media bias to present only the negative of the legacy of the Athens venues and I'm just trying to get a very clear picture of how long it took to find uses for the venues and the current state of the venues.

So if the article says the Velodrome seats are dirty and the pool is green, I'd like to know if that means it hasn't been used in a while or does that mean it's just not maintained by the city or state.
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Old March 24th, 2009, 07:17 PM   #39
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Sercan, can you please clean the mess? There are 2-3 certain people who like to discuss about the past Athens2004 Olympic venues over and over again.

You know "i read this article about the venues and blabla", and this is going on from 2004 till now, 2009.

If you really care (in a good way) about the Olympic venues open a new thread, or go to the Hellenic Agora and asks for infos there. There are many guys which will help you. Don't ruin this thread with endless dialogues which lead to flamewars.
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#Athens 2004 Venues: The legacy

A discussion area for questions relating to the venues since the GREECE stadium thread is apparently not the right area to discuss Greek venues.
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