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Old March 24th, 2009, 09:23 PM   #41
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As many posters here know, there's been more articles about this issue in the international press, including the most recent one posted by Yahoo Sports, claiming that 21 out of the 22 Olympic facilities in Athens were "abandoned." In the athletics thread, I pasted the letter that I wrote to Yahoo Sports, refuting their claims. However, after coming across some other articles on the issue, such as one by the Daily Express, I did some more research, and wrote the following letter to them. I'm posting it here because I go through each of the Olympic facilities individually, and present as much as possible evidence of how they are used, how they have been used, and how they will be used:

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Dear Editors,

This article couldn't be less accurate about the status of Athens four years after the Olympic Games. It seems to me that your "journalists" merely paid a cursory visit to some facilities, and upon observing that the facilities, on that day, were closed, assumed that they are abandoned. That could not be further from the truth.

Below, please find an overview (with links and evidence) as to how the facilities in Athens are in use today:

the Olympic Stadium being used for domestic soccer league matches (home field for two teams in the Greek Super League, Panathinaikos - www.pao.gr - and AEK Athens - www.aekfc.gr), track meets (like the Tsiklitiria meet, part of the IAAF Golden League - http://www.tsiklitiria.org/) , and concerts (Shakira and Pearl Jam in recent years among others, Bjork a couple of months ago - http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../05/2008_97189 -, Madonna in a few weeks - http://www.ticketpro.gr/ -). The OAKA also held the UEFA Champion's League final in 2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ljz6N...eature=related

The OAKA basketball stadium is the home court for Panathinaikos - www.paobc.gr - and AEK - www.aekbc.gr - in the Greek first division of basketball, and recently held the FIBA Pre-Olympic Qualifying Matches (http://www.athens2008.fiba.com/), as well as the Eurovision Song Contest in 2006. It is also the home court for the Greek National basketball team.

The velodrome recently hosted the Greek Cycling Championships (photos here: http://apolisports.blogspot.com/2008...ship-2008.html). And here is a list of events held there recently (unfortunately only in Greek): http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=324

The tennis center is still in use, here's a list of tournaments held there recently (unfortunately only in Greek): http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=325. It is also used by the Athens Tennis Academy: http://www.athenstennisacademy.gr/eng/gallery.html

The aquatic center is still in use as well...list of recent tournaments, again only in Greek: http://www.oaka.com.gr/articles_list...p;e_cat_id=342. The outdoor pool is open to the public as well. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Peace and Friendship stadium is still in use and is the home court for Olympiakos BC (basketball) - http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Basketba...ingCenter/SEF/ - as well as for conventions and exhibitions, a list of which can be found here: http://www.sef-stadium.gr/index.files/Page1937.htm

The Hellinikon basketball stadium is now the home court for Panionios BC in the Greek basketball league: http://www.panioniosbc.gr/index.asp?a_id=90. The stadium has also hosted numerous concerts and conventions, including Iron Maiden, the Athens Tuning Show, the Tourism & Property Show, the Woman Show and many others: http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The baseball field at the Hellinikon complex has been converted to a football pitch and is the home field for Ethnikos FC in the Greek second division: http://www.sport.gr/default.asp?pid=......64&cid=2216

The Canoe-Kayak facility at the Hellinikon complex recently held the Greek canoe-kayak championships, and will be converted to a waterpark, as the facility has already been handed over to a private consortium, including J&P AVAX, GEP, Corfu Waterparks and BIOTER. This waterpark will be part of the larger plans to turn the entire Hellinkon property, which was once Athens' international airport, into a metropolitan park. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../08/2007_86425.

Karaiskaki Stadium is the home pitch for Olympiakos FC: http://www.olympiacos.org/#/Football...er/Karaiskaki/ and has hosted domestic and Champions League matches continuously since 2004 and has also held concerts and festivals (including the fly beeyond festival and a concert with Massive Attack, also seen in the link above). It has also served as the home field for the Greek National football team: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/hellas_gr.asp. Even more information about the facility is here: http://www.karaiskaki.gr/events_gr.asp

Kaftanzoglio Stadium in Thessaloniki is the home pitch for Iraklis FC in the Greek Super League: http://www.iraklis-fc.gr/swift.jsp?C...=0202&extLang= and http://www.kaftanzoglio.gr/activities2.html. Last year, it was also the temporary home field of FC Apollon Kalamarias, another football team in the Greek Super League, whose original stadium is under reconstruction - http://www.apollonkalamariasfc.gr/pa...toria-2007.htm.

The Pancretan Stadium in Iraklion is the home pitch for OFI FC and Ergotelis FC in the Greek Super League: http://www.ofi.gr/game.aspx?game_id=185, http://www.stadia.gr/pankritio/pankritio-gr.html, http://www.ergotelis.gr/ergotelis/fr...mp;option=form. It also held the Greek Cup final in 2006.

The Panthessaliko Stadium in Volos will be the main stadium for the Mediterranean Games of 2013 (http://www.medgames.net/) and hosted the Greek Cup final in 2007 and has held local football games, track meets, concerts and conventions. Is also the home field for Niki Volou in Greece's second football division. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Panpeloponisiako Stadium in Patra held the Greek Cup final in 2005, held the Greek football All-Star Game in 2008, and has held local football games, track meets, concerts and conventions and recently also held an international friendly match with the Greek National football team. It is also the home field for Panahaiki in Greece's third division. http://www.panachaiki.gr/site/index.......9&Itemid=66, http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Faliron Complex has become the Athens International Convention Center, and has hosted, amongst other things, concerts by Morrissey, Isaac Hayes, Antonis Remos (popular Greek singer), political gatherings, trade shows like the Athens Audio Visual Show, and performances such as "Peter Pan on Ice":

http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=265
http://www.i-stores.gr/index.php?opt......d=2&lang=gr
http://siteseein.gr/2006/11/morrissey.html
http://www.myday.gr/_NEA/PREVIEW_new...;category_id=5
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...CEc8x5YFRNxyvQ
http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

The Goudi Olympic Complex has become the Badminton Theater, one of Athens' most modern theaters and concert halls. It will be hosting West Side Story in September, and has hosted numerous theatrical productions, including Mamma Mia. http://www.badmintontheater.gr/

The Beach Volleyball Stadium has held concerts, and has recently been turned over to a private company, S.K. Pazaropoulos, which plans to turn it into a 21st-Century version of Athens' historic "Lycabettus" theater. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588. It is under conversion and is scheduled to be completed by 2009. Here is one event that was held in the stadium after 2004: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/even......e=27&id=295.

The Olympic fencing hall in Peristeri has been partially converted, featuring a football pitch and hosting gymnastics competitions. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Agios Kosmas Sailing Marina: has been turned over to the private company Seirios A.E. and will be turned into a world-class marina (with room for close to a thousand yachts), and will be part of Athens' revitalized waterfront, which also includes a new theater, library and concert hall that will be designed by world-renowned architect Renzo Piano: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p......&refer=muse, http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317

Athens Main Press Centre (MPC): has been converted to the new headquarters of the Greek Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, and the amphitheater contained within has hosted numerous ceremonies and public events: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=256, http://fe-mail.gr/pages/posts/greece..._world2293.php

International Broadcast Center (IBC): has been turned over to a private corporation, Lambda Development, which is turning it into a shopping mall and retail center which will be known as the "Golden Hall," with 146 retail spaces. Part of the IBC will become the Greek Olympic Museum and the International Museum of Classic Athletics. http://www.lamda-development.net/onl...p;PageCounts=1

Olympic Weightlifting Hall in Nikaia: has hosted fencing competitions since the Olympics, however, it has now been turned over to the University of Piraeus, which it will use for lecture halls and classroom space: http://www.unipi.gr/anak-ekd.php?prkaID=1279

Markopoulo Shooting Range: has been turned over to the Hellenic Police Force, and will be the site of its police training academy and the headquarters of the Special Forces division of the Hellenic Police. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317 and http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=258

Olympic Rowing Center in Shoinias: is part of the Shoinias National Park, and is one of only three FISA approved training centers in the world, the other two being in Munich and Seville. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=317. The 2008 FISA European Rowing Championships will be taking place here in just a few weeks, 18-21 September: http://www.worldrowing.com/display/m...?eventid=35081. Though this facility did indeed lie unused for a while, it has been completely reconstructed by the Germany company Hochtief, and is in full use today. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Olympic Equestrian Center, Markopoulo: Is now the headquarters of the Greek Equestrian Federation, as well as Greece's Horse Racing competitions (which relocated from an old facility in Faliron after the Olympic Games). A European Equestrian Competition was held here from July 9-13, 2008: http://www.hunterjumpernews.com/?p=5148. Here are some domestic events that have taken place there this year: http://www.olympicproperties.gr/even......e=18&id=312

Ano Liosia Olympic Hall: has been leased out for various uses over the years, including the filming of the Greek version of the Reality TV show "So You Think You Can Dance." According to this article (http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588), the facility is in excellent shape. In September 2009, it will become home to Greece's new Academy of Culture and the National Digital Archive. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=266

Olympic village: 2,292 apartments were sold to low-income individuals and today the village is home to over 8,000 residents. It is suffering from some problems, most notably lack of frequent public transportation, but it is fully in use and was turned over to residents immediately after the end of the 2004 Olympics. http://www.e-tipos.com/newsitem?id=47588

Galatsi Olympic Hall: After the Olympics, this was the home court of AEK BC in Basketball. http://www.stadia.gr/galatsi/galatsi-gr.html. AEK has since moved back to the OAKA complex (its home court before 2004) and the hall has been turned over to a private consortium, Acropol Haragionis AE and Sonae Sierra SGPS S.A. It is now being converted to a shopping mall and entertainment complex, scheduled to reopen in 2009. http://www.olympicproperties.gr/contents_gr.asp?id=253

And again, this is just how the Athletic facilities have been used. In the leadup to the Athens games, numerous huge public works projects took place that transformed the city of Athens and the quality of life of its residents and visitors alike. Quite conveniently, your article mentioned NONE of these improvements:

Athens Metro: Used to be comprised by one line, the "ilektrikos" running north-south from Piraeus to the northern suburbs of Athens. The ISAP was completely revitalized before the games, and two new Metro lines were added to it, in time for the 2004 Olympics. However, the metro continues to expand to this day, with the planned addition of a new line and further expansions of existing lines, with some metro stations having been completed in the past few years and added into service. More information here: http://www.ametro.gr/page/default.asp?la=2&id=7 and photos of this project, including the spectacular stations (which resemble museums more than train stations) here: http://www.ametro.gr/page/default.asp?la=2&id=14

Tram: Completed just before the Olympics, the tram continues to be a vital part of the transportation network of Athens, connecting regions that do not have Metro service to the city center and the port of Piraeus. http://www.tramsa.gr, http://www.tramsa.gr/map/googlemapstram.html. The tram was recently expanded to the southern suburb of Voula, and there are other planned expansions, including 11 new stations in Piraeus: http://www.tramsa.gr/html/gr/diadromes.php?id=4.

Proastikos: The suburban railway connects the City of Athens with the new international airport, the northern coast of the Peloponese and cities like Korinthos, and is under expansion to reach cities like Kiato and Halkida. http://proastiakos.gr/en/ and http://proastiakos.gr/en/?getwhat=1&oi...;id=&tid=53

Athens International Airport "Eleftherios Venizelos": Completed in 2001, it is an ultra-modern airport near the town of Spata, outside of Athens, which replaced the old and outdated airport at Hellinikon. Earlier this year, the airport welcomed its 100 millionth passenger. It has won numerous awards, including "best airport in Southern Europe" in 2005 and 2006, European Airport of the Year in 2004 and Green building of the year in 2008 (for its environmentally friendly design). It is also one of only a few airports that is capable of accommodating the new Airbus A380. In the years since the Olympic games, numerous new airlines have begun routes to Athens, including US Airways, Continental Airlines, Air China, and Aer Lingus, and the amount of passengers handled has increased in each year since starting its operations. There are plans to expand the airport's capacity and a convention center is being built at the airport as well.

http://www.aia.gr
http://www.worldairportawards.com/Aw...esultsFull.htm
http://www.aia.gr/entry.asp?pageid=7...mp;entryId=232

Attiki Odos: a new motorway, completed in 2004, linking initially the new Athens International Airport with the city and outlying regions like Elefsina, connecting it to Greece's main national motorways heading south from Athens to Peloponissos (Korinthos, Patra, etc.) and north to Thessaloniki. It acts as a ring road around the city, diverting traffic away from the city center and helping to reduce traffic and pollution. Plans were recently announced to expand the Attiki Odos south within the city of Athens, to the southern suburb of Vouliagmeni, and to Athens' secondary port town of Rafina and the industrial town of Lavrio. http://www.express.gr/news/politics/...060335654.php3, http://www.aodos.gr

Converting Athens' historical center to a pedestrianized zone: The main historical sights of central Athens, including the Acropolis, the Ancient Agora, the Kalimarmaron Stadium (site of the original Olympic games), etc. were all connected and made easy for pedestrians to access, as roads that were previously open to traffic were closed off and converted to pedestrian walkways. There are plans to expand the pedestrian walkways to other parts of central Athens, including the main throughfare of Athinas Avenue, which travels north from Monastiraki (just below the Acropolis) to Omonia Square in the heart of Athens. http://www.minenv.gr/4/44/4401/44010...401020202.html, http://news.kathimerini.gr/4dcgi/_w_...08/2008_282400, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../08/2008_99833, http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../01/2002_12350

It is important to note that I am not blindly drinking the Athens kool-aid. There were delays in the usage of some of the Olympic facilities after the games, and some of them are currently not in use because they are in the process of being converted or awaiting final building permits to begin development works. But it is important to note that most facilities ARE in use, and those are not are all slated for redevelopment or are under redevelopment and are close to completion (and many of them were used for various purposes since 2004 as well).

It is also important to note that the improvements and works that took place in Athens did not merely consist of the construction of new sporting facilities, but also all of the infrastructure works mentioned above, all of which are in use in Athens 24-7-365. These projects have all had a tangible effect on the improvement of the city's quality of life, and just as importantly, these projects were not a fleeting, once-in-a-lifetime moment for Athens. As proven by the continued expansion of the metro, rail, tram, highway, etc. systems, these are projects that have set in motion continued and further improvements in the quality of life and the quality of infrastructure in Athens, which the city will benefit from for decades to come.

The Greek press has been covering the issue of the redevelopment of the Olympic Properties quite thoroughly, including in some of the articles I linked to in my letter. While there has been criticism for the slow pace of the conversion of some of the properties, that coverage has been balanced with coverage of all the facilities that are in use and the facilities which have been successfully converted, as well as those that are under redevelopment at this moment. The international press seems to have lifted the criticism and has ignored ALL of the MANY positives that have taken place. Of course, this does not surprise me, judging by the attacks Athens and Greece continually faced before the 2004 games, which all proved to be unfounded in the end.

It amazes me that I was able to perform research that these so-called "journalists" *should* have performed before taking the liberty to write such inaccurate and slanderous articles of Athens. Websites such as www.olympicproperties.gr go into great detail over the usage of the Olympic facilities, and many of the facilities, from the OAKA to the Badminton Theater, have their own websites.

Perhaps your "journalists" should be a bit more responsible next time, and do their homework before writing such inaccurate pieces and slandering an entire country in the process.

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Just like I said in my letter, and just as has been said by many other forumers here, the post-Olympics handling by the Greek government has not been perfect. There have been delays, there have been periods where some of the facilities indeed were not in use. However, there was never a time where "most" of them were not in use, and it seems that there is a plan in the works for every facility. Some have already been successfully converted, some have been turned over to private industry, and I think it is fair to give some time to the ones that will be redeveloped to see what will happen.

Greece is not a country that has the resources of the United States or Britain or China, so it is not surprising to me that not everything was utilized immediately after the games, however, a lot of progress seems to have been made, and I really was impressed with such facilities as the Badminton Theater, which I did not even know about until doing some research on this issue!

The thing that continues to disappoint me, however, is that the international press is "picking and choosing" what it is reporting, exaggerating the negative aspects and ignoring, sometimes completely, the many positives that have arisen from the games. Not one of these articles has discussed any of the infrastructure works that have taken place in Athens, and I don't think that is an accident. But once again, I am not surprised to see the international press, and primarily the British press, treat Athens and Greece in such a manner. It continues today with political and foreign policy issues, and it was continuous in the days, weeks, months and years leading up to the 2004 Olympics. And...I get the feeling that, by putting a city like Athens down, it is an attempt to play up London's hosting of the games from now, when it is far too early to tell whether or not their hosting of the games will be successful.
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Old March 25th, 2009, 02:23 AM   #42
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@Mo: I wouldn't say that it is only 1 or 2 stadiums either. There are venues that really haven't gotten much (if any) use after the games, and that certainly is a problem. Many of the plans outlined in the quote above mine have not been realised yet.

All I am saying is that the situation isn't as bad as one would believe after reading a handful of news articles.
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@Mo: I wouldn't say that it is only 1 or 2 stadiums either. There are venues that really haven't gotten much (if any) use after the games, and that certainly is a problem. Many of the plans outlined in the quote above mine have not been realised yet.

All I am saying is that the situation isn't as bad as one would believe after reading a handful of news articles.
I know that and if I'm allowed, will continue my questions.
The Sailing Marina probably has the best potential to be be a real success. It certainly looked fantastic during the Games and the private company would certainly maintain and promote the venue.

Who is responsible for the maintenance of venues e.g. Olympic Village/Sailing Marina. Many of them for a few months after the Games, although not in use, were not maintained? Is is the state or the city?
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In Sydney it has been a massive burden. The main venue at Homebush loses money and would be better sense to have it demolished. Attendances for rugby internationals and NRL have actually decreased. The ARU wants to move internationals back to the Sydney Football Stadium because of the lack of atmosphere.
See this is the problem with having the 'unofficial' national stadium in the city with the most fairweather fans. Sydney have the laziest fans in the country. Thank god Australia's national teams spread their games around the country. That being said, the Australian Wallabies (Rugby Union) and NSW State of Origin (Rugby League) pull great crowds, its just that International Rugby League is a joke so they are better off back at the Sydney Football stadium and in regional areas. The NRL teams lack the consistant support to pull large enough crowds to ANZ stadium to create a decent atmosphere (not much fun with 15000 people in a stadium that hold 83500), again I blame the Sydney fans.

Acer Arena, the Sydney Olympics Gymnastics Arena doesn't have a sporting tenant but is one of the busiest arenas in the world with concerts and exhibitions etc.

Many of the Sydney olymic park venues are now part of the new Sydney show grounds where they are exhibition space for the annual Royal Agracultural Show (A large state fair) which each Australian State hosts at their own 'show ground'.

The Baseball stadium which is now the central arena for the Sydney show ground has hosted National Rugby League club the Canterbury Bulldogs for a few seasons and now looks like it may be converted into an Australian Football Stadium for the planned West Sydney team.

As for an older Olympics. the Melbourne Cricket Ground is a national icon and would be recognised by many Australians as the proper choice for 'National Stadium' if Australia formally had one. Been totally rebuilt scince the 1956 games. Still has a capacity of over 100 000 and continues to be one of the busiest stadiums in the world.

The old warm up track to the MCG for the 1956 games is know as Olympic park. Truely showing its age, it is home to Victorian Athletics and the National Rugby Leagues Melbourne Storm. It has hosted soccer and rugby union thoughout its history as well, being home to many soccer teams over the years.

The old 1956 swimming pool still remains as a icon of Australian Modernist architecture, it is nicknamed the Glasshouse by most. In the 70's is was converted into an arena for concerts and basketball (not unlike the Wembley Arena) and played host to Melbournes National Basketball League teams til the last one left in the mid 90's. The Glasshouse has been tranformed into the training and administrative home of the Australian Football League club the Collingwood Magpies and has a naming right sponsor so is currently know as the Lexus Centre.
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The Sailing Marina probably has the best potential to be be a real success. It certainly looked fantastic during the Games and the private company would certainly maintain and promote the venue.

Who is responsible for the maintenance of venues e.g. Olympic Village/Sailing Marina. Many of them for a few months after the Games, although not in use, were not maintained? Is is the state or the city?
It's a public forum, you're allowed to do whatever you want.

From what I know (and have read in articles including the post rei made about the Olympic venues) the Marina is being turned into a private luxury marina. As for the Olympic village, it has been totally turned into housing. The only problem is that it is very far from the rest of Athens (not easy to get to and from).
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It's a public forum, you're allowed to do whatever you want.

From what I know (and have read in articles including the post rei made about the Olympic venues) the Marina is being turned into a private luxury marina. As for the Olympic village, it has been totally turned into housing. The only problem is that it is very far from the rest of Athens (not easy to get to and from).
So who is responsible for maintenance of the venues owned by the public?
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Most?

Most were not there before the Games...
Most of the major were already inplace before the games: Olympic stadium, Peace and friendship Stadium, Karaiskaki stadium, Kalimarmaro stadium, velodrome, Olympic indoor arena, Swimming pools etc. Except if you think that major main stadia means tae Kwo ndo and badminton stadiums..

2004 Athens, Olympic Press Center:





and 2009, Golden Hall Mall, the most luxurious in SE Europe so far:

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Tennis stadiums in 2004 now are the home of Athens Tennis Academy.

2004, Tennis stadium:



2009, Academy:



Badminton stadium became the famous for its size Badminton theater. A badminton stadium in Athens would be absolutely useless:

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2009 "Badminton Theater":






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Don't get edgy. Most means majority not major.
By most I mean venues for:

Baseball
Softball
Hockey
Sailing
Equestrian
Rowing
Tennis
Fencing
Badminton/Gymnastics
Beach Volleyball
Shooting
Football
.....etc.

That said, the Badminton Theater looks good.
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Don't get edgy. Most means majority not major.
By most I mean venues for:

Baseball
Softball
Hockey
Sailing
Equestrian
Rowing
Tennis
Fencing
Badminton/Gymnastics
Beach Volleyball
Shooting
Football
.....etc.

That said, the Badminton Theater looks good.
I dont know any olympic city that had already all these sports venues built before the games and I wonder why Athens should.
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I dont know any olympic city that had already all these sports venues built before the games and I wonder why Athens should.
never mind.
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The point is that most of those venues were not needed in Athens, and why should they do in the first place? Converted into totally different uses is logical. And its the case of any Olympic city.

True some venues were not in use for some time and action delayed for some of them. But as this thread shows, all the large and expensive venues see good use, and the rest of the infrastructure was/is absorbed for the city uses.

Athens is a city with its problems, problems we live and hear every day. But I have never seen or heard anything so bad about the Olympics, and we, all the citizens of Athens will surely agree that Athens 2004 brought only good for this city.
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As I said, never mind.

I'll discuss the venues with Zorba. For the sake of this thread.
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Old March 26th, 2009, 01:27 PM   #53
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Athens Badminton Theatre looks wonderful. What is its capacity?
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Old March 26th, 2009, 01:49 PM   #54
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The official site says 2.500
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:35 PM   #55
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Having read the comments about Homebush I actual have to agree with Bob, the stadium is to big and only fills a maximum of three times a year (State of Origin and a rugby international or two).

There is simply no team that can get anywhere near the capacity of Telstra / ANZ / (insert tacky sponsor name here) stadium. The place is in the middle of a wasteland and the whole park is sterile and has about the same amount of atmosphere as a Leyton Orient home game
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Old March 26th, 2009, 02:37 PM   #56
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@ some new greek forumers:Guys please ignore Mo Rush, he is a well known hater of Athens games and he was bashing even before the 2004 olympics, recreating all the miserable lies Murdoch press & co. were publishing.
He is among the sore haters that were heavily bittered by the success of the Athens organisation and even know, 5 years later he does not hesitate to demonstrate his complexes.
I mean, "who's responsible for the maintenance of the Olympic marina?" WTF????
Dude, I've been there myself and I know by first hand what's happening there, but guess what, I WONT TELL YA! Go find a Murdoch press article to find out and ridicule yourself more!!!!
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Old March 26th, 2009, 03:53 PM   #58
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Mo's asking sensible questions; he's certainly not a troll. If YOU WON'T TELL 'IM the answers that's your problem.
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Mo's asking sensible questions; he's certainly not a troll. If YOU WON'T TELL 'IM the answers that's your problem.
My friend "sensible questions" is one thing, empathy is another.I suggest you read what other friends have posted about post-olympic Athens, to find out that despite the poor management of the post 2004 conservative government in Greece, most venues are been exploited to their best potential in a way even the ever-whining greeks (like myself!) could find at least satisfactory. You won't find any white elephant in post olympic Athens, only arguments about a couple of misused or under-used minor sites and a sensible amount of "abandoned" potential mainly in public infrastructure matters. But the latter are issues that could 've existed anyway, given the short-sighted management of many of our politicians.
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Is that badminton Theatre a regular theatre or is it a theatre used for badminton matches?
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