#055 l The Trump Building l NEW YORK l 283m l 70fl

Jasonhouse · October 17th, 2002, 12:40 AM

The Trump Building
New York, USA

HEIGHT: 283m/927 feet
FLOORS: 71 floors
COMPLETION: 1930
ARCHITECT: H. Craig Severance

40 Wall was built in 1928-1930 for the Bank of the Manhattan Co. The building will be best known for its race for the world's tallest building neck to neck with the Chrysler Building. Built simultaneously with the rivaling building, the 71-storey 40 Wall was completed with a pyramidal top and lantern at 282.5 m, the builders being certain that they'd won. But as the Chrysler Building was suddenly topped with a steel spire, it was left to hold the second place in skyscraper rankings. (Although according to the Real Estate Weekly, the building still holds the title of the "tallest mid-block building".) The building plot was combined from seven parcels of land and the ground was broken in May 1928, a year before the Bank of the Manhattan moved in.

The Depression affected also the 40 Wall and the building stood half-empty until the end of WW II when it attracted several notable firms as tenants. In the late 1980s, the leaving of the Morgan Guaranty Bank from the building to its new headquarters left a 19,000 m² gap to its rentable space that still affects the economy of the premises. At worst, the building has had only about 10% of its office space rented. Like the Empire State Building, the 40 Wall has also been hit by an aircraft: in 1946 a US Coast Guard plane hit the building in fog, killing four people.

The 83,900 m² building was acquired by Ferdinand Marcos in 1982, and although it changed hands twice after that, any plans for renovation (admittedly, quite ambitious too) were discarded as too costly. Donald Trump bought the building in 1996 and started a massive, and badly needed, renovation in the building (arch. Der Scutt). Trump renamed the tower, "The Trump Building". Originally intended as a half-commercial, half-residential property, with the lower 35 floors for offices and the top 35 for apartments, the "new" 40 Wall was after all retained as a commercial-only building.

RafflesCity · October 17th, 2002, 01:03 AM

9/10

This is such a robust and smart-looking skyscraper despite its age. I like its green top the most!

Caledon1981 · October 17th, 2002, 01:41 AM

nice for its age. . but pails in comparison to ESB and Chrysler . . 6/10

AG · October 17th, 2002, 10:43 AM

Nice looking building, but stomped on by ESB and Chrysler, but very nice afrt deco design.

8/10

SUNNI · October 17th, 2002, 01:13 PM

5, i agree, ESB and Chrisler just stomped it

JinStuttgart · October 18th, 2002, 12:25 AM

I love it, 10/10

Who voted for 3.0 or less?

Monkey · October 19th, 2002, 06:56 PM

A very handsome building, the decorative accents carried through the entire fassade. I'm tough on 10s, so here's a 9 or 9.5!!!!

October 19th, 2002, 10:01 PM

Don't like this style, but a decent attempt. 5/10.

btw is this the building that was the reason for them putting the spire on Chrysler?

October 20th, 2002, 02:46 AM

7/10. The design is a little incongruent. Most of the building looks very 1930 art deco, like a junior Rockefeller Center, but the copper spire looks like it was lifted from a design circa 1910.

October 21st, 2002, 11:47 AM

Quote:

btw is this the building that was the reason for them putting the spire on Chrysler?

This was indeed the building Chrysler was competing with to be the world's tallest back in the late 20's.

A nice building but it's never really quite stood out despite the height. I think this was the end of an era while the Chrysler ushered in a new one.

7/10

CTroyMathis · October 23rd, 2002, 12:59 AM

I like it, but, yes it gets much less attention in the NY skyline for obvious reasons. It's top is way 'off.' 7.

SteelCity32 · October 23rd, 2002, 01:22 AM

WOW. What an amazing one. 10/10!

man med · October 24th, 2002, 08:05 PM

I gave it 8/10..its a great building but its not quite up to Empire State n Chrysler standards

October 28th, 2002, 07:35 AM

I didn't realize Trump Owned this tower. We should tell him to restore that decorative top, like they did with the Statue of Liberty. Clean it up a bit, so it doesn't appear stained and unkept.

I gave it a 9 for being a more beautiful Art Deco design than the Empire State Building, but I reserve 10 for the Chrysler Building alone.

Liz L · October 28th, 2002, 05:16 PM

7/10 - nice design, but it doesn't catch my attention as forcefully as, say, ESB or Chrysler. And I'm not quite sure how well the top of the tower matches the rest of the building.
BTW - Just how many buildings does The Donald own, anyhow?
(And yes, he should do something about the top of the tower)

DrumCorpsAlum · November 6th, 2002, 06:27 PM

8.5/10. Nice.

Muse · November 6th, 2002, 07:28 PM

A beautiful deco tall. Love the detailing.

I have a penchant for deco structures.

10

November 10th, 2002, 12:31 AM

Looks like it has a huge base.

over all I give it a 8/10

Bobdreamz · December 14th, 2002, 11:42 PM

there aren't to many art deco skyscrapers in the world to begin with...a classic design from a golden era but the building looks like it has seen better days and I do like the copper top.....8.5/10

Westin Peachtree · December 15th, 2002, 03:51 AM

EWWWW!!!!

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October 17th, 2002, 12:40 AM	#1
Jasonhouse Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 12,317 Likes (Received): 8	#055 l The Trump Building l NEW YORK l 283m l 70fl The Trump Building New York, USA HEIGHT: 283m/927 feet FLOORS: 71 floors COMPLETION: 1930 ARCHITECT: H. Craig Severance 40 Wall was built in 1928-1930 for the Bank of the Manhattan Co. The building will be best known for its race for the world's tallest building neck to neck with the Chrysler Building. Built simultaneously with the rivaling building, the 71-storey 40 Wall was completed with a pyramidal top and lantern at 282.5 m, the builders being certain that they'd won. But as the Chrysler Building was suddenly topped with a steel spire, it was left to hold the second place in skyscraper rankings. (Although according to the Real Estate Weekly, the building still holds the title of the "tallest mid-block building".) The building plot was combined from seven parcels of land and the ground was broken in May 1928, a year before the Bank of the Manhattan moved in. The Depression affected also the 40 Wall and the building stood half-empty until the end of WW II when it attracted several notable firms as tenants. In the late 1980s, the leaving of the Morgan Guaranty Bank from the building to its new headquarters left a 19,000 m² gap to its rentable space that still affects the economy of the premises. At worst, the building has had only about 10% of its office space rented. Like the Empire State Building, the 40 Wall has also been hit by an aircraft: in 1946 a US Coast Guard plane hit the building in fog, killing four people. The 83,900 m² building was acquired by Ferdinand Marcos in 1982, and although it changed hands twice after that, any plans for renovation (admittedly, quite ambitious too) were discarded as too costly. Donald Trump bought the building in 1996 and started a massive, and badly needed, renovation in the building (arch. Der Scutt). Trump renamed the tower, "The Trump Building". Originally intended as a half-commercial, half-residential property, with the lower 35 floors for offices and the top 35 for apartments, the "new" 40 Wall was after all retained as a commercial-only building. Last edited by ZZ-II; June 20th, 2008 at 06:00 PM.

October 17th, 2002, 01:41 AM	#3
Caledon1981 --------- Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: OKC Posts: 217 Likes (Received): 0	nice for its age. . but pails in comparison to ESB and Chrysler . . 6/10 __________________ --------

October 17th, 2002, 01:13 PM	#5
SUNNI architect by day Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 3,058 Likes (Received): 0	5, i agree, ESB and Chrisler just stomped it __________________ kr.au

October 18th, 2002, 12:25 AM	#6
JinStuttgart ----------------- Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Stuttgart / Germany Posts: 29 Likes (Received): 0	I love it, 10/10 Who voted for 3.0 or less? __________________ Citizen of the West --Open Society--Democracy--Rule of Law--Capitalism--

October 17th, 2002, 01:03 AM	#2
RafflesCity By Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S I N G A P O R E Posts: 26,215 Likes (Received): 6	9/10 This is such a robust and smart-looking skyscraper despite its age. I like its green top the most!

October 17th, 2002, 10:43 AM	#4
AG Engineer in training Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Gladstone (ex. Adelaide) Posts: 2,023 Likes (Received): 0	Nice looking building, but stomped on by ESB and Chrysler, but very nice afrt deco design. 8/10

October 19th, 2002, 06:56 PM	#7
Monkey Londinium langur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Londinium Posts: 14,549 Likes (Received): 2	A very handsome building, the decorative accents carried through the entire fassade. I'm tough on 10s, so here's a 9 or 9.5!!!!

October 19th, 2002, 10:01 PM	#8
Sunflower Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	Don't like this style, but a decent attempt. 5/10. btw is this the building that was the reason for them putting the spire on Chrysler?

October 20th, 2002, 02:46 AM	#9
Subdude Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	7/10. The design is a little incongruent. Most of the building looks very 1930 art deco, like a junior Rockefeller Center, but the copper spire looks like it was lifted from a design circa 1910.

October 23rd, 2002, 12:59 AM	#11
CTroyMathis Sea™ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas.TX Previously:New London.CT/Portsmouth.NH Posts: 290 Likes (Received): 0	I like it, but, yes it gets much less attention in the NY skyline for obvious reasons. It's top is way 'off.' 7.

October 23rd, 2002, 01:22 AM	#12
SteelCity32 Don't be that guy! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 1,098 Likes (Received): 0	WOW. What an amazing one. 10/10! __________________ I often dream of huge numb buildings, jet black sinister architecture. Being installed when nobody sees. Their appearence so sudden that few would take notice.

October 24th, 2002, 08:05 PM	#13
man med DJ MedZ Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Manchester Posts: 1,239 Likes (Received): 27	I gave it 8/10..its a great building but its not quite up to Empire State n Chrysler standards __________________ . . . https://soundcloud.com/deejay-medz DJ MedZ - Vangelis Bladerunner end theme remix http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SRxbkW1FRY . . .

October 28th, 2002, 07:35 AM	#14
Drazon Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	I didn't realize Trump Owned this tower. We should tell him to restore that decorative top, like they did with the Statue of Liberty. Clean it up a bit, so it doesn't appear stained and unkept. I gave it a 9 for being a more beautiful Art Deco design than the Empire State Building, but I reserve 10 for the Chrysler Building alone.

October 28th, 2002, 05:16 PM	#15
Liz L Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 403 Likes (Received): 0	7/10 - nice design, but it doesn't catch my attention as forcefully as, say, ESB or Chrysler. And I'm not quite sure how well the top of the tower matches the rest of the building. BTW - Just how many buildings does The Donald own, anyhow? (And yes, he should do something about the top of the tower) __________________ Liz L Art Deco rules!

November 6th, 2002, 06:27 PM	#16
DrumCorpsAlum Phoenix, AZ/Camden, SC Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ/Camden, SC Posts: 320 Likes (Received): 0	8.5/10. Nice. __________________ http://www.galleychronicles.com http://www.facebook.com/DrumCorpsAlum

November 6th, 2002, 07:28 PM	#17
Muse Supernature Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sydney Posts: 8,630 Likes (Received): 7	A beautiful deco tall. Love the detailing. I have a penchant for deco structures. 10

November 10th, 2002, 12:31 AM	#18
Steven Guest Posts: n/a Likes (Received):	Looks like it has a huge base. over all I give it a 8/10

December 14th, 2002, 11:42 PM	#19
Bobdreamz Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Miami/Orlando, Florida Posts: 1,850 Likes (Received): 5	there aren't to many art deco skyscrapers in the world to begin with...a classic design from a golden era but the building looks like it has seen better days and I do like the copper top.....8.5/10 __________________ Metro Miami...1000+ highrises completed & under construction.

December 15th, 2002, 03:51 AM	#20
Westin Peachtree Veteran Lurker Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 151 Likes (Received): 0	EWWWW!!!! __________________ Dick don't pay for strange!

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