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Old October 16th, 2003, 06:31 PM   #1
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Complete list of Metro, Light Rail and Tramlines in Europe

Major Update.... Now starting commuter/suburban networks

Ok, here's a complete list of Metro (subway), Light Rail, and Tramlines (streetcars) in Europe... and now, starting commuter/suburban rail networks

A few points before looking at them:

* Many of the figures are inaccurate due to enlargements to the various networks. Some networks have increased enormously since the data on this list was printed. I have updated a couple of cities, but I certainly don't have the time to do them all.

Homework for SSC forumers: If your city is on this list, and you know of the latest figures. Or if I missed your city, please post details here

* The tram lines are generally based on city proper area's only. Many cities in Europe, especially Germany, may have more than one network in the metropolitan area (connected together by Metro, LR and/or commuter rail). However, these are listed seperately here, so if you wish to compare different metro's in network size... no luck unless you manually add them together.

* NO COMMUTER/SUBURBAN Rail is included in the Metro or Tram figures. Most, if not all of the more important cities also have extensive suburban rail networks, often ones that work similar to metro's in the city center by going unbderground and usually many times larger than their Metro or Light Rail network: These are NOT included in the figures below.

Updated: I am now starting (from scratch) Commuter & Suburban Rail networks seperate to Metro networks.... DETAILS REQUIRED.

There are very few details regarding exactly har far should be included in commuter rail in Europe, due in part to the haphazard way in which a city, it's suburbs or it's metro are decided. So, accurate information may be difficult or impossible to find.

As an example, all the German city figures, are only those designated S-bahn. It doesn't include any R-bahn which in all cases act as a commuter railway within the metro area of German city's. Finding this added information has be elusive to me...

anyway... enjoy:

Metro (Subway)/ Lightrail networks

LR=Light Rail
M= Metro(Subway)
M+LR = either Metro/light Rail combination, or seperate metro and Light Rail lines

Armenia
Yerevan (1981) 13.4km M

Austria
Gmunden-Vorchdorf (1912) 14.7km LR
Vorchdorf-Lambach (1903) 15.5km LR
Lambach-Haag (1901) 26.3km LR
Linz-Postlingberg (1898) 2.9km LR
Linz-Waizenkirchen (1912) 58.9km LR
Salzburg (1886) 34km LR
Serfaus (1985) 1.28km M
Vocklamarkt-Attersee (1913) 13.4km LR
Vienna (1865) 67km M+LR
Wien-Baden (1873) 30.4km LR

Azerbaijan
Baku (1967) 30.5km M

Belarus
Minsk (1984) 16.4km M

Belgium
Bruxelles (1976) 40.5km M
De Panne-Knokke (1885) 55km LR

Bulgaria
Sofia (1998) 5km M

Czech Republic
Prague (1974) 59.3km M

Denmark
Copenhagen (2002) 21km M

Finland
Helsinki (1982) 21.1kmM

France
Lille (1983) 45km M
Lyon (1862-1978) 30km M
Marseille (1977) 19km M
Paris (1900) 243km M+LR
Toulouse (1993) 12.5km LR
Rennes (1997) 9.4km

Georgia
Tbilisi (1966) 26.3km M

Germany
Berlin (1902) 143km M
Bochum-Gelsenkirchen (1989) 14.9km LR
Bonn (1911) 26km LR
Brannenburg (1912) 8km LR
Essen (1977) 35.2km LR
Frankfurt/Main (1968) 58km M+LR
Garmisch-Partenkirchen (1929) 20km LR
Hamburg (1912) 100km M
Hannover (1872) 116.6km M+LR
Königswinter (1883) 1.5km LR
Lichtenhain-Cursdorf (1923) 2.5km LR
Mannheim-Bad Dürkheim (1913) 16.3km LR
Mannheim-Heidelberg (1868) 61km LR
Munich (1971) 98.4km M
Nürnberg (1972) 26.4kmM
Strausberg (1893) 6.2km LR
Stuttgart (1975) 84.2km M+LR
Trossingen (1898) 4km LR
Wuppertal (1903) 13.3km LR

Greece
Athens (1904) 25.8km M

Hungary
Budapest (1896) 206.8km M+LR

Ireland
Dublin (200?) ??km M+LR

Italy
Catania (1999) 3.8km M
Genova (1929-2000) 5.5km M
Milano (1964) 84.2km M
Napoli (1993) 28km M
Roma (1916-1955) 33.5km M
Torino (2005) 9.6km M

Netherlands
Amsterdam (1977-1990) 60.5km M+LR
Rotterdam (1968) 75.9km M
Utrecht-Nieuwegein (1983) 21.5km LR

Norway
Oslo (1909-1966) 123.4km M+LR

Poland
Warszawa (1929-1995) 49.5kmM+LR

Portugal
Lisboa (1959) 30km M
Oporto (200?) ??km LR

Romania
Bucuresti (1959) 59.2km M

Russia
Kazan (2005) 7.7km M
Moscow (1935) 282.52 M+LR
Nizhni Novgorod (1985) 13km M
Novosibirsk (1986) 13km M
Sankt Peterburg (1955) 107km M
Samara (1987) 12.5km M
Ust-Ilimsk (1988) 14.6km LR
Volgograd (1972) 12.8km LR
Yekaterinburg (1991) 12km LR

Slovakia
Poprad-Strbské Pleso (1912) 35.0km LR
Strba-Strbské Pleso (1970) 5km LR

Spain
Alicante (2003) 95km M+LR
Barcelona (1892/1924) 106.4km M
Bilbao (1995-2002) 60km M+LR
Donostia (San Sebastian) (1882) 156km LR
Gijón-Pravia (1909) 64km LR
Madrid (1919) 281.58km M
Palma-Sóller (1912) 23km LR
Santander (1892) 153km LR
Valencia (1988) 127km LR

Sweden
Lidingö (1907) 9.2km LR
Nockebybanan (??) 5.6km LR
Saltsjöbanan (??) 18.6km LR
Stockholm (1877-1950) 113.3km M+LR
Tvärbanan (??) 11.5km LR

Switzerland
Aarau (WSB) (1901) 32.3km LR
Bern (1898-1912) 53.7km LR
Bremgarten-Dietikon (1902) 18.8km LR
Genève (1994) 15km LR
Lausanne (1873) 22.6km LR
Lugano-Ponte Tresa (1912) 12.2km LR
Zürich (1875) 26.9km LR

Turkey
Adana (??) 14km LR
Bursa (??) 17km LR
Istanbul (1989) 16.7km LR
Izmir (??) 13km LR

Ukraine
Dnipropetrovsk (1996) 11.2km M
Kharkiv (1975) 26km M
Kyiv (1969) 55.03km M+LR
Kriviy Rih (1986) 11.6km LR

United Kingdom
Birmingham (1999) 20km M+LR
Glasgow (1896) 10.4km M
London (1863) 408km M
Newcastle/Tyne (1980) 59.3km M+LR

Tram (Street Car) networks (city proper, not metropolitan area)

Austria (AT)
Gmunden: (1894) 2.5km
Graz (1878) 30.3km
Innsbruck (1891) 36km
Linz (1880) 19.2km
Wien (Vienna) (1865) 240km

Belarus (BY)
Minsk (1892) 32km
Masyr (1988) 22km
Navapolatsk (1974) 11.3km
Vitsyebsk (1898) 34.5km

Belgium (BE)
Antwerpen (1873) 57km
Bruxelles (1869) 205km
Charleroi (1887) 20km
Gent (1875) 30km

Bosnia Herzegovina (BA)
Sarajevo (1895) 16km

Bulgaria (BG)
Sofia (1901) 222km

Croatia (HR)
Osijek (1884) 12km
Zagreb (1891) 54.4km

Czech Republic (CZ)
Brno (1884) 75.6km
Liberec (1887) 21km
Most (1957) 19km
Olomouc (1889) 14.2km
Ostrava(1894) 58.2km
Plzen (1899) 26km
Praha (Prague) (1875) 133km

Estonia (EE)
Tallin (1888) 39km

Finland (FI)
Helsinki (1891) 75km

France (FR)
Bordeaux (2003) 27.4km
Grenoble (1987) 32km
Lille (1874) 22km
Lyon (2001) 25km
Marseille (1876) 3km
Montpelier (2000) 15.2km
Nantes (1985) 39km
Orleans (2000) 18km
Paris (1992) 20.4km
Rouen (1994) 15.8km
St Etienne (1881) 9.3km
Strasbourg (1994) 24.6km

Under Construction:
Bordeaux (2007) 20km under construction
Grenoble (20/05/2006) 11.5km under construction
Le Mans (2007) 15.4km under construction
Lyon (200) 14.6km under construction
Marseille (2007) 11km under construction
Montpellier (03/01/2007) 19.6km under construction
Mulhouse (13/05/2006) 12km under construction
Nantes (2006) 2.2km under construction
Nice (2007) 8.8km under construction
Orleans (2007) 21km under construction
Paris (2006-2008) 10.2km (7.9 + 2.3) under construction
St Etienne (2006) 2km under construction
Strasbourg (2008) 13.5km under construction
Valenciennes (06/2006) 9.5km under construction
Valenciennes (2007) 8.5km under construction

Germany (DE)
Augsburg (1881) 31.6km
Bad Schandau (1898) 8.1km
Berlin (1865) 189.4km
Bielefeld (1900) 26.1km
Bochum-Gelsenkirchen (1894) 87.8km
Bonn (1891) 28.7km
Brandenburg (1897) 19.6km
Braunschweig (1879) 34.3km
Bremen (1876) 58.6km
Chemnitz (1880) 22.3km
Cottbus (1903) 23.7km
Darmstadt (1886) 41.8km
Dessau (1894) 13.1km
Dortmund (1881) 75.5km
Dresden (1872) 131km
Duisburg (1881) 58.6km
Düsseldorf (1876) 146.3km
Erfurt (1883) 29.3km
Essen (1893) 94.2km
Frankfurt/Main (1872) 63.4km
Frankfurt (Rhein Main metro region) 125km
Frankfurt/Oder (1898) 25.1km
Freiburg/Breisgau (1902) 27.5km
Gera (1892) 14km
Görlitz (1882) 13.4km
Gotha (1894) 26.3km
Hagen (19??) ??km
Halberstadt (1887) 8.3km
Halle (1882) 84.5km
Heidelberg (1885) 19.7km
Herne (19??) ??km
Jena (1901) 21.4km
Karlsruhe (1877) 149.9km
Kassel (1877) 47.4km
Kohlfurth (1995) 1.2km
Köln (Cologne) (1877) 191.2km
Krefeld (1883) 46km
Leipzig (1872) 152.6km
Ludwigshafen (1878) 30.2km
Magdeburg (1877) 60.9km
Mainz (1883) 21.9km
Mannheim (1878) 58km
Mülheim/Ruhr (1897) 32.4km
München (Munich) (1876) 78.5km
Nordhausen (1900) 8.7km
Nürnberg (1891) 42.1km
Oberhausen (1996) 9.6km
Plauen (1894) 17.3km
Potsdam (1880) 27.5km
Rostock (1881) 33km
Saarbrücken (1997) 17.5km
Schönberger Strand (1996) 0.3km
Schöneiche (1910) 15.2km
Schwerin (1881) 22.2km
Strausberg (???) 6.2km
Stuttgart (1864) 10.9km
Ulm (1897) 5.8km
Woltersdorf (1913) 5.6km
Wuppertal (1901) 13.3km
Würzburg (1892) 19.4km
Zwickau (1894) 9.1km

Greece
Athens (2004) 26km

Hungary (HU)
Budapest (1866) 156km
Debrecen (1911) 6km
Miskolc (1897) 9km
Szeged (1884) 15km

Italy (IT)
Messina (2003) 7.7km
Milano (1876) 287km
Napoli (1875) 23km
Roma (1882) 65.9km
Sassari (Sardinia) (2006) 2.5km
Torino (1872) 150km
Trieste (1883) 5.2km

Latvia (LV)
Daugavpils (1946) 25.2km
Liepaya (1899) 14km
Riga (1882) 123km

The Netherlands
Amsterdam (1875) 138km
Den Haag (1864) 128.1km
Rotterdam (1879) 67km

Norway (NO)
Bergen (1997) 0.4km
Oslo (1875) 152.5km
Trondheim (1901) 8.8km

Poland (PL)
Bydgoszcz (1880) 32km
Czestochowa (1959) 10.5km
Elblag (1894) 14km
Gdansk (1873) 50km
Gorzów WLKP (1899) 14km
Grudziadz (1896) 9.5km
Katowice (1894) 245km
Krakow (1882) 79.5km
Lodz (1898) 113km
Poznan (1880) 85km
Szczecin (1879) 40km
Torun (1891) 11km
Warszawa (1865) 119km
Wroclaw (1877) 85km

Portugal (PT)
Lisboa (1873) 72km
Porto (1872) 13.9km
Sintra-Atlantico (1903) 3km

Romania (RO)
Arad (1896) 45.5km
Botosani (1991) 11km
Braila (1900) 15km
Brasov (1987) 6.7km
Bucuresti (1874) 155km
Cluj-Napoca (1987) 11.5km
Constanta (1984) 42km
Craiova (1987) 19km
Galati (1899) 35km
Iasi (1900) 64km
Oradea (1905) 20km
Ploeisti (1987) 18.5km
Resita (1988) 9.5km
Sibiu (1905) 10km
Timisoara (1899) 42km

Russia (RU)
Achinsk (1967) 19.5km
Angarsk (1953) 48.4km
Arkhangelsk (1916) 37.3km
Astrakhan (1900) 41.3km
Barnaul (1948) 61.5km
Biysk (1960) 35.7km
Chelyabinsk (1932) 79.4km
Cherepovets (1956) 13.9km
Cheryomushki (1991) 5.9km
Dzerzhinsk (1933) 43.2km
Irkutsk (1947) 20.7km
Ivanovo (1934) 20.7km
Izhevsk (1935) 37.8km
Kaliningrad (1881) 51.5km
Kazan (1875) 75.3km
Kemerovo (1940) 44.4km
Khabarovsk (1956) 37.3km
Kolomna (1948) 20.2km
Komsomolsk-na-Amure (1957) 20.9km
Krasnoarmeisk (1959) 10.2km
Krasnodar (1900) 56.6km
Krasnoturinsk (1954) 10.2km
Krasnoyarsk (1958) 38.8km
Kursk (1898) 46.1km
Lipetsk (1947) 54.5km
Magnitogorsk (1935) 71km
Moskva (Moscow) (1872) 418.8km
Naberezhnye (1973) 43.9km
Nizhnikamsk (1967) 29km
Nizhni Novgorod (1896) 100km
Nizhni Tagil (1937) 54.5km
Noginsk (1924) 13.7km
Novocherkassk (1954) 21.3km
Novokuznetsk (1933) 70km
Novosibirsk (1934) 90.3km
Novotroisk (1956) 15.1km
Omsk (1936) 65km
Orel (1898) 17.4km
Orsk (1948) 34.9km
Osinniki (1960) 11.6km
Perm (1929) 64.5km
Prokopyevsk (1936) 41.3km
Pyatigorsk (1904) 20.7km
Rostov-na-Donu (1887) 60.1km
Ryazan (1963) 12.4km
Sankt Peterburg (1863) 692km ??? Possibly Track length
Salavat (1957) 18.3km
Samara (1895) 91km
Saratov (1887) 18.4km
Shakhty (1932) 16,2km
Smolensk (1901) 28.1km
Stary Oskol (1981) 30km
Taganrog (1932) 22.7km
Tomsk (1949) 22.2km
Tula (188) 46.1km
Tver (1901) 45.5km
Ufa (1937) 78.2km
Ulan-Ude (1958) 28.4km
Ulyanovsk (1954) 59.9km
Usolye Sibirskoye (1967) 16.2km
Ust-Katav (1973) 4.1km
Vladikavkaz (1904) 26.4km
Vladivostok (1912) 22.1km
Volchansk (1951) 15.4km
Volgograd (1913) 41.2km
Volzhskiy (1963) 23.9km
Voronezh (1891) 87.4km
Yaroslavl (1900) 33.4km
Yekaterinburg (1929) 89.3km
Zlatoust (1924) 29.8km

Serbia (YU)
Beograd (1885) 127.3km

Slovakia (SK)
Bratislava (1895) 35.3km
Kosice (1891) 33.6km
Trencianská Teplá (1909) 5.4km

Spain (ES)
Barcelona (1872/1997) 30km
Bilbao (2002) 4.4km
La Corunna (1997) 6.2km
Murcia (2007) 2km
Seville (2007) 1,3km
Sóller (1913) 5km
Tenerife (2007) 12,5km
Valencia (1994) 9.8km
Vitoria- Gasteiz (2004) 7.9km
Madrid (????) 27.78

Sweden (SE)
Göteborg (Gothenburg) (1879) 144km
Malmö (1987) 1.4km
Norrköping (1904) 13km
Stockholm (1991) 2.6km

Switzerland (CH)
Basel (1895) 139km
Bern (1890) 17.6km
Genève (1862) 10.2km
Zürich (1882) 111.6km

Turkey (TR)
Antalya (??) 4.8km
Eskisehir (??) 15km
Istanbul (1990) 11km
Konya (??) 18km

Ukraine (UA)
Avdiyivka (1965) 18km
Dniprodzerzhinsk (1935) 43km
Dnipropetrovsk (1897) 79km
Donetsk (1928) 60.2km
Druzhkivka (1945) 17.4km
Horlivka (1932) 31.2km
Kharkiv (1882) 132.2km
Kyiv (1892) 139.9km
Konotop (1949) 23.8km
Kostyatinivka (1931) 25.7km
Kramatorsk (1937) 19.2km
Kriviy Rih (1935) 36.8km
Luhansk (1934) 46km
Lviv (1880) 38.2km
Makiyivka (1935) 32.7km
Mariupol (1933) 56.8km
Molochne (1989) 1.5km
Nikolayiv (1887) 37.1km
Odesa (1910) 108.9km
Stakhanov (1937) 18km
Vinnitsya (1913) 21.2km
Yenakiyeve (1932) 16.4km
Yevpatoriya (1914) 17km
Zaporizhzhya (1932) 54.8km
Zhitomir (1899) 8.8km

United Kingdom (GB)
Birkenhead (1995)0.8km
Birmingham - Wolverhampton (1998) 20.4km
Blackpool (1885) 18km
London Croydon (2000) 28km
Douglas (IOM) (1876) 2.8km
Douglas-Ramsey (1893) 28.4km
Llandudno (1902) 1.6km
Leeds (????) ??km
Manchester (1992) 32km
Nottingham (????) ??km
Seaton (1970) 5.2km
Sheffield (1994) 3ß.5km
South Hampshire (????) ??km

Commuter & Suburban Rail Networks:

Austria
Vienna - 1579km

Belgium
Brussels - 210km (Not full metro area)

Czech Republic
Prague - 639.7km

Estonia
Tallinn - 131.6km

Finland
Helsinki - 60km

France
Paris - 1401km (Ile de France, 5xRER lines and 5xSuburban lines)
(571km for RER, 246 stations, Commuter 833km, 226 stations)

Germany
Berlin - 3107 (Combined S-bahn and Heavy Rail commuter)
Frankfurt - 1500km (complete Rhein Main commuter Rail)
Stuttgard - 117km (Does not yet include R-bahn coverage)

Italy
Milan - 250km (Only in official metro area, not including full commuter region)
Rome - 470km
Torino - 117km
Napoli-Sorrento (1891) 144km LR (not including other Napoli commuter rail)

Netherlands
Amsterdam, Rotterdam & Den Haag, amonsgt otehrs, forms a metropolitan area that should have a combined commuter network. Figures below are only within the direct urban area.
Amsterdam - 128km
Den Haag - 118km

Portugal
Lisbon - 240km.

Russia
Moscow - 3458km

Spain
Barcelona - 566km
Bilbao - 89.43km ( ET only )
Madrid - 335.7km
Seville - 30.1km (not full metro area)
Valencia - 101.1km

Sweden
Stockholm - 200km

Switzerland
Geneva - 30.8km (Not full metro area)
Zurich - 660km

United Kingdom
Birmingham - 186km
Glasgow - 109.3km
London 4642km (Network South East commuter system (788km in city proper)
Manchester - 292km

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Top Tram networks in Europe by city proper network over 100km (Route km)
This list doesn't include the total trams within a metropolitan area. e.g. Frankfurt's metro area has three networks that are linked by S-bahn with a total of 125km. The Rhein Ruhr would also be enormous in total.

Sankt Peterburg: 692km (possibly track length, not route length)
Moskva: 418.8km
Milano: 287km
Katowice: 245km
Vienna: 240km
Sofia: 222km
Bruxelles: 205km
Köln: 188.5km
Berlin: 187.7km
Budapest: 156km
Bucuresti: 155km
Leipzig: 152.6km
Oslo: 152.5km
Karlsruhe: 149.9km
Düsseldorf: 146.3km
Göteborg: 144km
Kyiv: 139.9km
Basel: 139km
Amsterdam: 138km
Kharkiv: 132.2km
Dresden: 129.6km
Den Haag: 128.1km
Beograd: 127.3km
Prague: 125km
Torino: 123km
Riga: 123km
Warszawa: 119km
Lodz: 113km
Zürich: 111.6km
Odesa: 108.9km
Nizhni Novgorod: 100km
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Very impressive.

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Montegeneroso (1890) 9km LR
Weird to include this one. This is a mountain railway for tourists. Not really "light rail", although the vehicles are lighter than regular trains...But if you include this one you should include a lot of narrow gauge railways in Switzerland, because they are very similar.

Did you compose this list yourself? I remember a pretty similar list which was posted regularly in newsgroup misc.transport.rail.urban-transit, but haven't seen that list anymore for quite some time...
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Very impressive.



Weird to include this one. This is a mountain railway for tourists. Not really "light rail", although the vehicles are lighter than regular trains...But if you include this one you should include a lot of narrow gauge railways in Switzerland, because they are very similar.

Did you compose this list yourself? I remember a pretty similar list which was posted regularly in newsgroup misc.transport.rail.urban-transit, but haven't seen that list anymore for quite some time...
Thanks. I tried to filter out the one's in Switzerland that were not normal light rail (there were plenty) and I'm not surprised I missed one or two. I'll remove it.

The list was mostly compiled from different booklets I have, web links I've kept, and from threads in SSC & SSP I've stored. Which is why there could be out of date info etc.

All I done, was transfer that information into these two lists. And post it on this forum so hopefully the data can be confirmed or corrected such as your post: cheers
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Added Serfaus, Austria

hehe Smallest subway in the world. And smallest town (actually it's a villiage) to have it's own subway... 1.28km population

seriously... here's the link: http://www.funimag.com/funimag13/serfaus01.htm

This is a real subway line through the town, not a ski lift or anything.
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Are you not counting trams as light rail? I notices Milan only has the length of the Metro system listed, without its tram network. Still, it is quite an impressive list!
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Are you not counting trams as light rail? I notices Milan only has the length of the Metro system listed, without its tram network. Still, it is quite an impressive list!
there are two lists:

List 1) is for Light Rail and Metro

List 2) is for trams.

Milan is in both, the tram line is large, and listed in the tram section.

Of note, I didn't personally choose which were trams, and which were light rail. Sometimes, this can be too difficult to do.

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Old October 17th, 2003, 01:35 AM   #7
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I want a metro too

At least i'm getting a metro-tram-train line (together with Zoetermeer and Rotterdam) so Holland and Germany (i think) will be the only ones in the world to have such a line
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Old October 17th, 2003, 02:07 AM   #8
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Copenhagen has a metro too. It opend last year, and rigth now its 21 km long.
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Copenhagen has a metro too. It opend last year, and rigth now its 21 km long.
a thousand dankes, I've added it to the list
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Old October 17th, 2003, 11:38 AM   #10
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Nice list

The figures for oslo is however a little outdated. I found this document, http://www.sporveien.no/archive/atta...1/facts026.pdf (page 12), showing the length of metro to be 118,7 km. These are figures for 2000. However, in August this year the metro was extended with to more stations and aprox 3 km.
For the tramways, it shows 152,5 km.

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Thanks NorthStar77, I've updated the list.

Comeon guys, we need updates
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Old October 17th, 2003, 12:12 PM   #12
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Can someone from Russia have a look at the massive St. Petersburg and Moscow networks.

Especially St. Petersburg, the world's largest.

Different sites say different total route lengths, often around 700km! And here's a site that claims 1000km route length! http://www.tramways.com/tramways/rus...rg1/index.html

another link that claims 1000km: http://home.hccnet.nl/pj.klarenbeek/...etersburg.html

This pdf claims 692km route length... http://outsourcing-russia.com/kb/doc.../r19101-02.pdf

I need accurate information, what's on the list above seems far too low.
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Old October 18th, 2003, 12:07 AM   #13
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I want a metro too

At least i'm getting a metro-tram-train line (together with Zoetermeer and Rotterdam) so Holland and Germany (i think) will be the only ones in the world to have such a line
The only one? Well, there are lots of transit systems that are somewhere in between a tram and a train, or in between a tram and a metro. These are usually referred to as 'light rail' (or light train, when talking about cheap&light trainsets). There's no definitive defenition of "light rail", and everyone seems to have his / her own definition of it.

I myself would call RandstadRail (the system you are talking about) light rail. The particular solution (metro on one line, tram / light rail on the other with a section where they share tracks) is pretty unique, although the Amsterdam - Amstelveen line is more or less similar.
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Old October 18th, 2003, 02:31 AM   #14
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there are two lists:

List 1) is for Light Rail and Metro

List 2) is for trams.

Milan is in both, the tram line is large, and listed in the tram section.

Of note, I didn't personally choose which were trams, and which were light rail. Sometimes, this can be too difficult to do.

Duhhhh! ok, i feel stupid now! I didnt see the second list
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Old October 18th, 2003, 03:46 AM   #15
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Portugal - Oporto lightrail

Metro (Subway)/ Lightrail networks

There is a lightrail network (bombardier - eurotram) in Porto (Oporto)

Lisbon - M
Oporto - LR
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Old October 18th, 2003, 07:36 PM   #16
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Re: Portugal - Oporto lightrail

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Metro (Subway)/ Lightrail networks

There is a lightrail network (bombardier - eurotram) in Porto (Oporto)

Lisbon - M
Oporto - LR
Do you know the latest track lengths for both cities Marco?
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Re: Portugal - Oporto lightrail

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Metro (Subway)/ Lightrail networks

There is a lightrail network (bombardier - eurotram) in Porto (Oporto)

Lisbon - M
Oporto - LR
I would call that a tram, not light rail. Especially in Lisbon - there's not much difference between the regular tram routes and the "eurotram" route except the equipment, is there? The Stasbourg network is also counted as "tram" network, and it's also running with eurotrams. So it would be weird to suddenly call those Lisbon lines "light rail". Of course, it's hard to give a definition for light rail. But there is a tendency to call every tram network with modern equipment a "light rail" network. In my opinion, light rail should at least have some train / metro elements like relative high speed of most of the line segregated from other transport modes.

@ Justme: in France, the Latour-le-Carol- Villefranche-de-Conflant (1910) 63km line is just like those lines in Switzerland, narrow gauge mountain railways. Also not light rail in my opinion (and certainly not urban).
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Old October 19th, 2003, 01:56 PM   #18
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@ Justme

Where did you get this figures?
Also wondering about göteborg, i've read that it's 143 km (2002) (and one km added this year, 2003) and not 117 km???
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Old October 19th, 2003, 02:59 PM   #19
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Re: Re: Portugal - Oporto lightrail

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I would call that a tram, not light rail. Especially in Lisbon - there's not much difference between the regular tram routes and the "eurotram" route except the equipment, is there? The Stasbourg network is also counted as "tram" network, and it's also running with eurotrams. So it would be weird to suddenly call those Lisbon lines "light rail".
well, no one is calling the Lisbon tram's light rail... were did you read that? Lisbon have Subway and Tram lines, not light rail...

Lisbon's metro


About Oporto (Porto), Bombardier calls that light rail, and the rail tracks are diferent and larger than the Lisbon ones for the new siemens trams...




@ Justme , I will check the track lengths...
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Vertigo, Disco: Updated as request.

@Disco. Various booklets, and weblinks. Mostly out of date info unfortunately, which is why I appreciate the input.

All definitions of tram/light rail was not of my doing
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