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Old April 22nd, 2006, 03:50 AM   #321
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The Union Jack represents empires and world domination. We don't need to go into British history do we?
No it doesn't, not necessarily - and we shouldn't need to seek justification in history, either. Suffice to say that it would be grossly unfair only to associate the UJ with negative aspects of the last 400 years. There have been other areas which the UK has been a positive force. It seems to me that you conveniently overlook this.

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Rangers represent bigotry and pride in a government that has repressed different peoples for centuries.
Again, I feel you over-react. I have no love for Rangers and I admit that what you say can be said to be true to some extent but the equation is not so clear.

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And the Union Jack doesn't represent my country, EADGBE..
Which country is that exactly? You seem to have made a point of keeping this ambiguous. Whether or not it's the same country as mine (England), you forgot to add the qualifier 'in my opinion' which would at least partially validate your last point - or all of them in fact.

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That's the last I have to say about that on here. Let's get back on topic.
Fine, I agree we should get back on topic and I don't expect a reply but equally, you shouldn't expect to make comments like you have and then just shut off the debate. I don't expect you to agree with my every point but nor should you expect me to overlook points you have made which are both inaccurate and prejudiced.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 05:15 AM   #322
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 05:48 AM   #323
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No it doesn't, not necessarily - and we shouldn't need to seek justification in history, either. Suffice to say that it would be grossly unfair only to associate the UJ with negative aspects of the last 400 years. There have been other areas which the UK has been a positive force. It seems to me that you conveniently overlook this.



Again, I feel you over-react. I have no love for Rangers and I admit that what you say can be said to be true to some extent but the equation is not so clear.



Which country is that exactly? You seem to have made a point of keeping this ambiguous. Whether or not it's the same country as mine (England), you forgot to add the qualifier 'in my opinion' which would at least partially validate your last point - or all of them in fact.



Fine, I agree we should get back on topic and I don't expect a reply but equally, you shouldn't expect to make comments like you have and then just shut off the debate. I don't expect you to agree with my every point but nor should you expect me to overlook points you have made which are both inaccurate and prejudiced.
Somebody asked me why I didn't like the Rangers picture and I answered why; I didn't expect this to turn into a political debate.

I use green font to describe my country... hmmm... what European country is synonymous with the colour green?

You say those are my "inaccurate and prejudiced" opinions, yet what is there to debate about the British forcing their colonial prisoners to speak the English language and follow their Protestant religion. Next are you going to tell me Rangers wasn't a bigoted club for how many years?

And the only reason I'm continuing this is because you took the time to type a well thoughtout counter argument to my post.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 05:49 AM   #324
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I thought that NFL/WAFL was finished 10 years ago.

In all my time living in Europe, I never heard or saw anything about gridiron over there.

Rugby union yes, gridiron no.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 05:51 AM   #325
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It's a well known fact that all gridiron fans are homosexuals.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 10:46 AM   #326
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Somebody asked me why I didn't like the Rangers picture and I answered why; I didn't expect this to turn into a political debate.

I'm not particulalry bothered with you writing your opinion, but your obviously new to this "action - consequence" thing or pretty obtuse, because when you post a very strong opinion about something very controversial on a political matter will lead to the consequence of many people stronly - though noticably politely in this case - disagreeing.

Next are you going to tell me Rangers wasn't a bigoted club for how many years?

I certainly don't disagree, but if your attacking only one side of the Old Firm for this, then your perhaps displaying your own hate. Now I don't think myself as British, so I don't feel to much affection for the UF, However I'd say any symbol can stand for all the wrong things if its being used by the wrong type of people - including your tricolour.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 11:16 AM   #327
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for me oaka (athens olympic stadium)





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Old April 22nd, 2006, 12:23 PM   #328
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Somebody asked me why I didn't like the Rangers picture and I answered why; I didn't expect this to turn into a political debate.

I use green font to describe my country... hmmm... what European country is synonymous with the colour green?

You say those are my "inaccurate and prejudiced" opinions, yet what is there to debate about the British forcing their colonial prisoners to speak the English language and follow their Protestant religion. Next are you going to tell me Rangers wasn't a bigoted club for how many years?

And the only reason I'm continuing this is because you took the time to type a well thoughtout counter argument to my post.
What's wrong with just saying you're Irish? I have no prejudice against you just for being Irish, even if I take issue with the statements you have made.

I'm certainly not going to defend Rangers' patchy record on sectarianism. Infact, I think they perfectly illustrate my initial point. Just because some people you don't like associate themselves with our flag, it doesn't mean you should therefore associate our flag wholly with people you don't like. That is the very core ingredient of prejudice. Understand that most people in Britain are proud of *lots* of our history (not all) and that we have a fair case to asserty that pride via our national identity.

The point I made about the Fiver's view on the Old Firm is relevant because in England (and probably everywhere outside Glasgow), we really don't get the reason behind its religious fervour. To most of us, it really is as laughable as Scots pretending to be Irish/English - or it would be laughable if it wasn't so pernicious. My advice to you would be not to validate this poison by being sucked in by it.

I really hope you can concede that I have a valid point of view on this, and btw, I wouldn't dream of blithely stating how the tricolour is the symbol of all evil on the planet. We all have histories which include things we would rather forget. Let's not be expected to spend our lives apologising for the wrongs of the last dozen generations. You see how I have resisted the tempation to retaliate?

Back on topic, my own (well-documented) favourite stadium in the world is Camp Nou, Barcelona. Not necessarily the best-appointed or the most modern, but certainly one of the biggest and a reflection of the fine and unique traditions of FC Barcelona and indeed the 'Catalan nation' (if that's not too historically contentious)

Lostboy, thanks for highlighting the fact that I am attempting to disagree in a civil manner.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 12:26 PM   #329
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when it come to cricket stadiums the MCG is by far the largest and most state of the art stadium in the world
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 01:09 PM   #330
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when it come to cricket stadiums the MCG is by far the largest and most state of the art stadium in the world
eden gardens in india,sure it's a dump but it's just as big if not bigger..
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 01:17 PM   #331
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eden gardens in india,sure it's a dump but it's just as big if not bigger..
Eden Gardens holds 120000
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 02:54 PM   #332
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The best stadium in the world;
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 03:09 PM   #333
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Somebody asked me why I didn't like the Rangers picture and I answered why; I didn't expect this to turn into a political debate.

I use green font to describe my country... hmmm... what European country is synonymous with the colour green?

You say those are my "inaccurate and prejudiced" opinions, yet what is there to debate about the British forcing their colonial prisoners to speak the English language and follow their Protestant religion. Next are you going to tell me Rangers wasn't a bigoted club for how many years?
Although it appears like you are being deliberately vague my understanding is that you don't like the Rangers picture/Rangers/the Union Flag because you are Irish, and by reading between the lines it sounds like you're also a Catholic.
If that is true then you are by definition - a bigot.
But that doesn't mean that Ibrox isn't a good stadium though
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On another point, Rangers fans don't think they are English, and there is no justification for saying so. Refer back to the pic I posted, you'll see two saltires along with a Union Flag. There is no St. Georges cross there.
Far too often there is a blurring between English and British - and as a Scotsmen proud to be British, I feel more of a distinction should be made, especially by people living in the United Kingdom.

This 'discussion' has gone on long enough. Back to the topic...
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 03:17 PM   #334
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My favourite stadiums in the whole world are

The Reliant Stadium


The RCA Dome


And one of Twickenham, Millenium Stadium, The Bernabau.
Once completed it will probably be Twickenham, but for the moment the Millenium Stadium probably just edges it:



And of course honourable mentions to Highbury and Ibrox.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 04:25 PM   #335
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Well said (apart for the Welsh who are all tossers).
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 09:30 PM   #336
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the union jack is the British flag, and so many countries around the world are happy to fly it(as part of their flags) so get over it.

and at least the Rangers fans fly the flag of their own nation whether scottish or British, the Celtic fans fly that of a foreign country? don't care about the history, wot gets me is that they can fly the irish flag individually if they want but how they are allowed to display it on the stands instead of a scottish flag
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 10:25 PM   #337
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What a ****ed up country Britain is!! Only in Britain could waving a British flag be classed as bigoted/racist!!! Can you imagine somebody in Texas being called a bigot for waving a USA flag!! Can you imagine somebody in Berlin being called a bigot for waving a German flag!! Can you imagine somebody in Paris being called a bigot for waving a French flag!

Rangers fans do not class themselves as English. People who think this are simply ignorant of flag colours. I have never seen a St.George’s cross at Ibrox. I have seen Ulster flags that look very similar to the St.George’s cross, but they are not the same. Scotland is tied to N.Ireland through religion, history and culture. N.Ireland is mainly populated by Ulster Scots, and so we have lots in common and will always help each other and support each other. This is why every week thousands make their way across the waters to come see Rangers in Scotland. Rangers fans are basically split into two camps. Those who class themselves as solely proud Scots, and those who class themselves as proud to be Scottish and proud to be British. What’s the problem?

I always find it amazing that despite having their city centres bombed for over 20 years and having hundreds of their civilians/soldiers killed, a lot of English people are completely ignorant of the N.Ireland situation, and amazingly, some of them are sympathetic towards Irish Republican terrorists!!! You can excuse the younger generation (although I don’t think you can) as they didn’t grow up with any bombings in their cities, but for anybody over 25, any ignorance is truly shocking!! I guess it is a symptom of the general dumbing down of the British population over the years!

As for the plastic paddy – if you hate Britain, its history, its flag, its army and its culture, then I suggest you click the link below…

http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/dests.php?loc=DUB


As for stadiums, here are some photos of one of my favourite club stadiums - Ibrox

(£2 million of improvements will be made in the summer, adding 800 padded/heated luxury seats as well as new large bar area for people who buy the £950 season tickets for these seats. This will bring Rangers in at least an extra million a year in increased ticket sales. Capacity will be 51349 )














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[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Banner%20Parade.jpg[/img]



[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/rangersfc2/websize/ARTETA%20PENALTY.JPG[/img]

[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Marble%20Staircase.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Mural%201.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/rangerfc/large/Cooper%20gates.jpg[/img]





















[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/dscf00285bd_1_.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/theenclosureslaststand19940uz_1_.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Copland%20Saltire.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/ibroxporto0ae_1_.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Allyqus%20Golden%20Boot.jpg[/img]

[img]http://img85.echo.cx/img85/9721/ibroxc207yv.jpg[img]





[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/kickoff7hr_1_.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Inter.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Ibrox%20April%202006.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Murray%20Park%20gates.jpg[/img]

[img]http://photos.***************/wertp/stadiumpictures/large/Murray%20Park.jpg[/img]






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Old April 22nd, 2006, 10:47 PM   #338
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Lame.

I was looking at the B'days and saw 'OOOHH Shut that door' as the newest forumer and thought 'what a strange name'.

Turns out to be bubomb...mental.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 10:51 PM   #339
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OOOHH Shut that door that was overkill. One or two pictures would have sufficed, especially since everyone has seen most of them a million times anyway.
Nice all the same

Btw - what is your username on FF?
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 10:59 PM   #340
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OOOHH Shut that door that was overkill. One or two pictures would have sufficed, especially since everyone has seen most of them a million times anyway.
Nice all the same

Btw - what is your username on FF?
I gave up on FF as it was getting boring with the same subjects repeated a million times. The forums obsession with Graham Spiers was beyond a joke!! I am now on the Student Loyal forum under the name 'gripperwatson'.

A lot of those photos are hard to find, especially the one below, as I took it!

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