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Old July 1st, 2008, 06:34 PM   #1101
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Purely sticking to stadia I've been to, I'll go with...

1. Bernabeu
2. Arena auf Schalke
3. Lords
4. Berlin Olympiastadion
5. Stade de France
6. Croke Park, Dublin
7. Tsentralnyi, Volgograd
8. Alvalade, Lisbon
9. Chaban-Delmas, Bordeaux
10. St. JAmes Park, Newcastle (before they stuck those hideous extension on the top)

A few I hated...

Anfield, Liverpool
Hampden, Glasgow
Aneota, San Sebastian.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 07:48 AM   #1102
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Sorry to tell you Carrerra but your last 2 pictures of Telstra Dome are actually of the ANZ Stadium (formerly Telstra Stadium) in Sydney. Telstra Dome is in Melbourne. ANZ Stadium of course, was Stadium Australia, the main stadium during the 2000 Summer Olympics.

There is also a big capacity difference. ANZ holds 83,500 (all seated) while TD actually holds 56,347 (53,355 seats). TD has a retractable roof, ANZ doesn't but both have movable lower tier stands to move from an oval playing surface to a rectangle and vice versa. ANZ loses 1000 seats when in oval mode while TD loses about 3000 when in rectangle mode.
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Old July 4th, 2008, 08:30 PM   #1103
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my fave and little known beauty:

Shanghai Tennis Stadium, the roof slides open like a flower:



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Old July 5th, 2008, 04:14 AM   #1104
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7. Harvard Stadium, the original American Football stadium, help cement the foward pass, with "rugby style" play as the way Amercan football is played. First reinforced concrete structure
It's a good choice for a stadium pick, but the forward pass and "American" football came from Canada. Harvard University simply introduced football to the United States after visiting McGill University in Montreal. Harvard Stadium is where the game was first played in that country, but if you're looking for a stadiums that gave birth to football, you need to look north in Canada.

"American" football is ingrained in US culture, but it is Canadian in origin.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 04:45 AM   #1105
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It's a good choice for a stadium pick, but the forward pass and "American" football came from Canada. Harvard University simply introduced football to the United States after visiting McGill University in Montreal. Harvard Stadium is where the game was first played in that country, but if you're looking for a stadiums that gave birth to football, you need to look north in Canada.

"American" football is ingrained in US culture, but it is Canadian in origin.
Thats nothing to be proud of

When did the 3/4 downs change?
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Old July 5th, 2008, 06:19 AM   #1106
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Whether one likes football or not, it is an important part of Canada's cultural heritage and its Canadian origin, is a historical fact. It has become a massive cultural phenomenon on this continent, and that alone, makes it relevant.

After football spread to the United States, there were various alterations and changes made to the game on both sides of the border. Some new practices were adopted in both countries, but not all. This is why the US version, differs from the Canadian. I do not have a date regarding when 3 down football became the norm in the USA.

The first documented football match was a game played at University College, University of Toronto on November 9, 1861. A football club was formed at the university soon afterwards, although its rules of play at this stage are unclear. In 1864, at Trinity College, Toronto, F. Barlow Cumberland and Frederick A. Bethune devised rules based on rugby football. However, modern Canadian football is widely regarded as having originated with a game of rugby played in Montreal, in 1865, when British Army officers played local civilians. The game gradually gained a following, and the Montreal Football Club was formed in 1868, the first recorded non-university football club in Canada.

This 'rugby-football' soon became popular at McGill University. McGill challenged Harvard University to a game, in 1874. It is through this varsity play, that the game now known as American football entered the United States.
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Old July 5th, 2008, 11:14 PM   #1107
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While they may have gotten the idea from Canada there is some complexity to how the foward pass became legal. Most of the American football establishment was opposed to it, however the 1905 season saw 19 people die (largely from head injuries) while playing collegiate Football, and Pres. Rosevelt (along with a number of other politicians) insisted serious rule changes be instuted or the game would be outlawed. The more popular option for many was to widen the field in order to open the game up, however few stadiums (Harvard in particular) could not widen the field because of the narrow design, so the end option was to allow the forward pass (although it was little used by most schools for several decades).

FYI the first official American Football game took place between Princeton and Rutgers in 1869, though its unofficial roots date back to about the 1830s in old division football Boston game and rugby.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 04:43 AM   #1108
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Whether one likes football or not, it is an important part of Canada's cultural heritage and its Canadian origin, is a historical fact. It has become a massive cultural phenomenon on this continent, and that alone, makes it relevant.

After football spread to the United States, there were various alterations and changes made to the game on both sides of the border. Some new practices were adopted in both countries, but not all. This is why the US version, differs from the Canadian. I do not have a date regarding when 3 down football became the norm in the USA.

The first documented football match was a game played at University College, University of Toronto on November 9, 1861. A football club was formed at the university soon afterwards, although its rules of play at this stage are unclear. In 1864, at Trinity College, Toronto, F. Barlow Cumberland and Frederick A. Bethune devised rules based on rugby football. However, modern Canadian football is widely regarded as having originated with a game of rugby played in Montreal, in 1865, when British Army officers played local civilians. The game gradually gained a following, and the Montreal Football Club was formed in 1868, the first recorded non-university football club in Canada.

This 'rugby-football' soon became popular at McGill University. McGill challenged Harvard University to a game, in 1874. It is through this varsity play, that the game now known as American football entered the United States.
its true that PART of the concept of modern american football came from canada, but at least half of the game was already developed in the US when they played that McGill Harvard game. The end result of the COMBINATION of the two sports gives us the game today. The US has just as much to do with it as Canada.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 06:39 PM   #1109
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I can only judge by looking to their looks so for me, Beijing Olympic stadium will be the best after that Alianz Arena.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #1110
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FYI the first official American Football game took place between Princeton and Rutgers in 1869, though its unofficial roots date back to about the 1830s in old division football Boston game and rugby.
The games you refer to were rugby matches, not football. Rugby evolved into football in Canada with the introduction of the forward pass. This 'rugby-football' soon became popular at McGill University. McGill challenged Harvard University to a game, in 1874. It is through this varsity play, that the game now known as American football entered the United States.

The first documented football match was a game played at University College, University of Toronto on November 9, 1861.

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its true that PART of the concept of modern american football came from canada, but at least half of the game was already developed in the US when they played that McGill Harvard game. The end result of the COMBINATION of the two sports gives us the game today. The US has just as much to do with it as Canada.
The game played in the United States before the Harvard-McGill games were rugby. Football and the forward pass came from Canada. It's from this point, not before, that US contributions to the already developed game of football were made. The US has made many contributions to the game since. That is well documented.

Football may be ingrained in US culture, but that doesn't change the fact that this sport is Canadian is origin.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 02:44 AM   #1111
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The games you refer to were rugby matches, not football. Rugby evolved into football in Canada with the introduction of the forward pass. This 'rugby-football' soon became popular at McGill University. McGill challenged Harvard University to a game, in 1874. It is through this varsity play, that the game now known as American football entered the United States.

The first documented football match was a game played at University College, University of Toronto on November 9, 1861.



The game played in the United States before the Harvard-McGill games were rugby. Football and the forward pass came from Canada. It's from this point, not before, that US contributions to the already developed game of football were made. The US has made many contributions to the game since. That is well documented.

Football may be ingrained in US culture, but that doesn't change the fact that this sport is Canadian is origin.

all i can say is check your sources

both sides have just as much do do with the development of the game, to say that it is canadian in origin is just ignorant. If you have ever heard of the boston game from Harvard then you would know what im talking about. After the Boston Games' rules were combined with the rules form McGill the end result was american football.

And if you do know anything about the game, then you would know that Walter Camp had more to do with the development of the game than anything. Not canada.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 02:55 AM   #1112
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I was going to suggest the same to you. People assume this is a US sport because of its place in US culture. If you do a lot of digging, it remains a sport in which the US has made large contributions, but the facts are quite clear. It was brought to the US from Canada.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 02:58 AM   #1113
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I was going to suggest the same to you. People assume this is a US sport because of its place in US culture. If you do a lot of digging, it remains a sport in which the US has made large contributions, but the facts are quite clear. It was brought to the US from Canada.
ok ill go check my sources...my grandfather, a US sports historian. the fact is that Canadians have claimed to have invented the sport for years when in actuality it was a joint deal between McGill and Harvard. Dont question a man who has made this his life's work. Ill use an analogy he JUST told me...if McGill were Peanut Butter and Harvard was jelly, then you have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (football)...you can have one without the other. peanut butter cant claim to have made the whole thing.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 03:18 AM   #1114
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I understand the analogy, but it doesn't change the fact that it was the peanut butter to which the jelly was added. That might sound petty, but it's an important distinction when you are researching the origins or roots of something.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 03:23 AM   #1115
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I understand the analogy, but it doesn't change the fact that it was the peanut butter to which the jelly was added. That might sound petty, but it's an important distinction when you are researching the origins or roots of something.
im giving up. ill go tell my grandfather that hes been wrong his whole life and should give back his degree.

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Whatever though, Canadians are just jealous that the NFL is miles better than the lol CFL.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 09:15 AM   #1118
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im giving up. ill go tell my grandfather that hes been wrong his whole life and should give back his degree.

Break it to him gently. I suppose we shouldn't make matters worse and start talking about baseball?

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Whatever though, Canadians are just jealous that the NFL is miles better than the lol CFL.

Kilometres better? No. Perhaps, kilometres more successful. 270 million more television viewers in your country will do that! Just be thankful you live in a massively populous country.
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Break it to him gently. I suppose we shouldn't make matters worse and start talking about baseball?



Kilometres better? No. Perhaps, kilometres more successful. 270 million more television viewers in your country will do that! Just be thankful you live in a massively populous country.
you wont give up will you...dont try to argue a point when you have absolutely nothing backing up yourself up. and yes, lets not get started with baseball. the game played in canada in the 1830's has nothing to do with modern baseball. dont even bother arguing this, you wont win.
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Oh dear!

Nothing to back it up? That's a desperation rebuttal considering there's a mountain of evidence that does back up what I'm stating as fact. Your claims, are just that, claims. Some people certainly can't even contemplate the notion that their deeply held beliefs may not be accurate.

Nothing to do with baseball? Baseball grew out of rounders. Never mind! I was about to, but you're quite right about me not bothering to argue that point. I'm done. Go visit the Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame site, and take it up with them instead. There are a whole whack of people who would willingly debunk your claims. I'm not committing any more time to this. I'm off to another thread.

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