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Old November 8th, 2009, 08:40 PM   #1781
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Another thing to consider is the size of the market, in the small ones, such as Buffalo, the average price for a game is about $50 while in Dallas and New England a game is well over $100. I would save about half of the people are bills games are 25 and under but there is not support for that.
That's the thing Buffalo is a small market in the american sense, but in the European sense it is a largish market. It'd probably have 2-3 teams in most European countries.

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and speaking of beautiful stadiums, the ralph isnt so bad on the inside, the outside is a different story.







I do like ralph wilson lots of character.
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Old November 8th, 2009, 11:48 PM   #1782
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Even selling season tickets of the "Virages" (behind-the-goal stands) in Marseille .

a kind of, but it's official !! (weird, but official) and, as far I know, only Marseille has such a system in France (where supporter associations sell tickets to other supporters... )
I think some clubs do it in Italy and south America

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Marseille season-tickets 09/10, Virages (sold by the supp. associations): approx. €190/£170/$282 (Ligue 1+FA & League cups+Champions League)
By comparison: Other stands (except suites & business seats) : from €300/£268/$445 to €850/£759/$1262 (Ligue 1+FA & League cups+CL)

For example, here are PSG' prices (the most expensive in France/L1) :
Virages (20% of Parc des Prince): €275/£246/$408 (Ligue 1+FA & League cups)
Other stands (corner included, except "suites" & business seats) : from €410/£366/$609 to €1900/£1698/$2821 (Ligue 1+FA & League cups)
Best premier league figures I could find...

ARSENAL

2008-09: £855 - £1,825
2009-10: Price freeze

ASTON VILLA

2008-09: £265 - £510
2009-10: £295 - £510

BLACKBURN

2008-09: £249 - £439
2009-10: Prices TBC

BOLTON

2008-09: £299 - £449
2009-10: Prices TBC

CHELSEA

2008-09: £660 - £1,150
2009-10: Prices TBC

EVERTON

2008-09: £503 - £603
2009-10: £399 - £586

FULHAM

2008-09: £299 - £779
2009-10: Prices TBC

HULL

2008-09: £380 - £450
2009-10: Price freeze

LIVERPOOL

2008-09: £650 - £750
2009-10: Prices TBC

MAN CITY

2008-09: £388 - £626
2009-10: Price freeze/possible discount

MAN UTD

2008-09: £494 - £912
2009-10: Prices TBC

MIDDLESBROUGH

2008-09: £390 - £550
2009-10: Prices TBC

NEWCASTLE

2008-09: £330 - £658
2009-10: £300 - £598

PORTSMOUTH

2008-09: £600 - £925
2009-10: £500 - £900

STOKE

2008-09: £334 - £499
2009-10: Prices TBC

SUNDERLAND

2008-09: £415 - £525
2009-10: £350 - £465

TOTTENHAM

2008-09: £635 - £1,675
2009-10: Price freeze

WEST BROM

2008-09: £299 - £399
2009-10: Prices TBC

WEST HAM

2008-09: £615 - £885
2009-10: Prices TBC

WIGAN

2008-09: £250 - £295
2009-10: Prices TBC

match day (selected)

Arsenal: Category A Matches (£48 - £94) / Category B Matches (£33 - £66)

Chelsea: £45 - £65

Liverpool: Cat A (£28 - £39) / Cat B (£26 - £37)

Manchester United: £27-£49

I am still surprised that PSG can't sell out though?

Crystal palace (15,220 08/09) in the championship do season tickets behind the goal for £270 (more expensive than Wigan) which is more expensive than PSG (behind the goal), but then I doubt more than 2-3 palace home games are televised per season. We have strict rules on televising football over here so that people go to games, it also makes rights more valuable because of scarcity.

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About how the club (OM) makes its income:
The club sells all the tickets of the Virages (priced by the club but after arrangements with the supporter associations) to these supporter groups/associations who become the exclusive sellers. Then these groups sell (with a profit margin of course) to the people who want to buy a season ticket in these stands/Virages (40% of Vélodrome: approx. 25,000 seats) !!!!!
That makes me think to Mafia/Camora... !
Marseille sells 42/45,000 season tickets each year and more than a half is managed by the supp. associations.....
It's outsourcing though, the supporters clubs can do a better job of selling more tickets. Probably because fans refuse to buy them directly from the club?

OF course if the supporters clubs had half a brain they;d not do it as they are taking money away from their club, or do they think it grows on trees?

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It's quite unique indeed, and that's a characteristic of Lens and Valenciennes Kops/popular stands.

Lens:
Not that unique, the popular stand at Maine road (manchester city), the kippax was on the side (held 26,000), Celtic's poplar stand (the jungle) was on the side. And Tottenham claimed their popular stand was on the side, known as the shelf, but apparently they used to move it every year.

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Well, they asked to their clubs (Lens & Valenciennes), which asked to the league, to have a "standing tier" and they will have it, apparently.. how exactly ??? I don't know, but IMO it will be like in Germany....
Good, the more countries that bring it back, the bigger the momentum


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No comment !
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Not surprising ! (I knew about that and also about FC United)
Anyway that's the price to pay for being the most famous league in the world.....
But only myopic idiots want that, I hate all these people who accept their clubs going on Asian and American tours to raise revenue, then complain about ticket prices and about the tourists coming to stadiums, you can't have it both ways.

Most people could care less if the prem was the most famous but that's the problem most people dno't run the clubs and most people aren't trying to extort the game for personal gain (end rant)

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In France, they could never replace the real supporters by "tourists"..... So that's also why our supporters can face public administrations/clubs etc !

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exactly, nor can most clubs in England, but then some seem to rather have empty seats than rowdy fans who create an atmosphere

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I lived in London several months and I remember very well a strike in the London Underground.. I thought I was back in France !
lol it's a London ting, we ain't like the rest of the country!

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About that, I forgot to mention Metz (L2) & Rennes (L1) which already have obtained "terracing" back (in small parts of their "Virages") !!

Metz:


Rennes:
What happens if the fans either side want to sit down? How do they see over people standing?

My point, what's the point in having a small standing section, it should take up the whole standing


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About Lens :


Essentially: The owner of RC Lens (Gervais Martel) said that he wanted "German style terraces" and (apparently) this is planned with the refurbishment of Stade Bollaert !!!
Brilliant, they're bringing football back!
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Old November 9th, 2009, 02:14 AM   #1783
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Man Utd's cheap tickets are in this little hanging tier they rammed into the top of the Stretford End.
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Old November 10th, 2009, 11:41 AM   #1784
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I am still surprised that PSG can't sell out though?

......which is more expensive than PSG (behind the goal)
In France, PSG has the best average attendance - by percentage of capacity - since more than 20 years and as far I remember, except the lower "Boulogne" Stand (which is more than a special case*), the two Virages have always been sold out (season tickets) !
Not to forget that the prices, in most of other tiers, are far from cheap (and not only for a French supporter)......

* About Lower Boulogne Stand/Kop/Virage (aka Kop of Boulogne, tribune Rouge: KOB, Rouge) :

""It is known as the "most notorious stand in French football" due to its links with violence and far-right political groups and is a symbol for football hooliganism and political extremism within French culture. [...] The Kop has become synonymous in French public opinion with not only football hooliganism, but racism and fascism due to a number of high profile incidents.""

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Anyway,

Last season :
-PSG: 92,36% of capacity (average attendance: 40,902 for 44,283 seats: current football cap. at the Parc des Princes). PdP has 48,712 seats, but only during Rugby games !!

For example:
Lyon: 91,11% of capacity (average attendance: 37,394 for 41,044 seats)

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Old November 10th, 2009, 11:55 AM   #1785
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1. Santiago Bernabeu
2. Camp Nou
3. Old Trafford
4. Wembley Stadium
5. Maracana
6. Azteca
7. La Bombonera
8. San Siro
9 Amsterdam Arena
10. Yankee Stadium

Other than yankee stadium because it is a well known American team... most people in the outside wouldn't known any of the American stadiums that are mentioned by others... unless they have lived in the US.

NFL and Baseball is really only watch by Americans (with a little European following for NFL and certain countries in Latin America and Japan for baseball). But for the rest of the world? How many know where the Cowboys play? Of the Green Bay Parkers Play? Or USC Plays??? No one knows and probably wouldn't care.

Honest observation and opinion.

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Old November 10th, 2009, 12:35 PM   #1786
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Man Utd's cheap tickets are in this little hanging tier they rammed into the top of the Stretford End.
Eh?

Do you mean the North Stand?
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Old November 10th, 2009, 12:40 PM   #1787
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1. Santiago Bernabeu
2. Camp Nou
3. Old Trafford
4. Wembley Stadium
5. Maracana
6. Azteca
7. La Bombonera
8. San Siro
9 Amsterdam Arena
10. Yankee Stadium

Other than yankee stadium because it is a well known American team... most people in the outside wouldn't known any of the American stadiums that are mentioned by others... unless they have lived in the US.

NFL and Baseball is really only watch by Americans (with a little European following for NFL and certain countries in Latin America and Japan for baseball). But for the rest of the world? How many know where the Cowboys play? Of the Green Bay Parkers Play? Or USC Plays??? No one knows and probably wouldn't care.

Honest observation and opinion.
Great, even your summary is true though it still has little to do with if a stadium is beautiful stadiums. A potentially beautiful stadium isn't' beautiful do to someone's ignorance of not knowing of it.
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 08:26 PM   #1788
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Old December 22nd, 2009, 09:21 PM   #1789
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of course pro... I know your college stadiums are full of rowdies, although at FSU it still sees to be PA led with the tomhawk chop tune!
Here's the FSU band doing the Seminole War Chant...it is definitely overplayed during their games, but still one of the best college fight songs out there!

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Old December 23rd, 2009, 12:08 AM   #1790
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Cape Town Stadium- Cape Town, South Africa
green point stadium
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 06:01 AM   #1791
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1. New Wembley

2. Melbourne Cricket ground

3. San Siro

4. Bernabeu

5. Melbourne Ractangular Stadium (In Construction)
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6. Stade Luigi Ferrarsis

7. Westfalen Stadion

8. Lang Park (Suncorp Stadium)

9. Soccer City

10. Amsterdam Arena

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Old December 23rd, 2009, 06:24 AM   #1792
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green point stadium
Nope, it's called Cape Town Stadium. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Town_Stadium
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 08:46 AM   #1793
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I know this will come off as very ignorant, but why do so many people think that San Siro is a beautiful stadium? Honestly, what aesthetic qualities does it have?

Does this really come off as beautiful to most people? All I see is a huge concrete mass! When I look at it it just reminds me of the "cookie cutter" stadiums of the 70's in the US. Big and very intimidating, but ugly beyond description.







Now I understand the history and the quality of the teams that play inside, but that does not make the stadium beautiful. On the outside, it is still one ugly looking stadium! I don't want to start some big argument, just my opinion!
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Cape Town Stadium- Cape Town, South Africa (previously known as Greenpoint Stadium)



The colour of the facade changes depending on the time and light of day.

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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:12 PM   #1795
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i love that minimalistic design, all that grey looks nice, i hope they will light it up in multicolor when its dark, that will give a great view!
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Old December 23rd, 2009, 05:31 PM   #1796
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6. Stade Luigi Ferrarsis
Stadio Luigi Ferraris, also known as Marassi, is located in the port city of Genoa, Italy. It is home to both the Genoa & Sampdoria clubs.
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Old May 15th, 2010, 11:14 PM   #1797
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The best stadium in college football imho and top 5 in the world hehehe



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Old May 16th, 2010, 11:29 AM   #1798
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it's been mentioned before... surely...

the MCG, melbourne... a special place for any cricket fan... and seeing south africa beat australia there in 2009 is a highlight.


if you judge a stadium by the beauty and patriotism of it's design... Melbourne Rectangular Stadium/AAMI park
(unfortunately, we lost the league there a couple of weeks back)
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if you judge a stadium by the atmosphere it creates... stade de france. the roar of the crowd is awe inspiring... it's truely an intimidating place for non french teams to play.


a close second for atmosphere would have to be twickenham... i hate the song... but swing low sweet chariot never sounded so powerful as when it's sung by 82,000 englishmen baying for all black blood...


if you judge it by the style of it's exterior... Kaohsuing stadium


and obviously, i'm gonna have to put my home town in there... westpac stadium... wellington

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Old May 16th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #1799
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1. Wembley

2. Santiago Bernabeu

3. Old Trafford

4. Veltins Arena

5. Grand Stade Lille Metropole (u/c)

6. Stamford Bridge

7. HSV NordBank Arena

8. Anfield Road

9. Stade de France

10. Reliant Stadium
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1.Wembley
2.Stamford bridge
3.Soccer city stadium
4.Moses Mobhida stadium (durban)
5.Sports park Stožice (Ljubljana)
6.OL land
7.Olympic stadium Berlin
8.Birds nest
9.Allianz arena
10.Arizona Cardinals stadium
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