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Old July 12th, 2012, 07:49 PM   #4721
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News on Swindon's plan to redevelop the Town End:

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Chief executive Nick Watkins said the stage focuses on the Town End, doubling the capacity to 4,000, and providing pitchside-view function rooms, possibly with an associated hotel.
http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/spo...lopment_plans/

And Barnet are looking to move from Underhill to their training ground:

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Barnet FC's move from Underhill to The Hive is looking ever closer, after Harrow Council Officers have recommended that the club be given initial approval for Football League matches to be played on the Camrose Avenue site.
http://www.barnetfc.com/page/InThePr...847732,00.html
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Old July 12th, 2012, 08:46 PM   #4722
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Does anyone know whether Forest might rekindle their stadium plans now they've been taken over? There's been talk both of expansion of the City Ground and, during the 2018 bid there was plan for a stadium out of town if I remember correctly.
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Old July 12th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #4723
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Maybe they'll say something regarding the stadium on Saturday:

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Ne...ail/story.html
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Old July 12th, 2012, 11:23 PM   #4724
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It's recently one after another that has been taken over. Notthingham Forest, Reading, West Ham, QPR, Cardiff and I probalby forgot some more. If they all want to become a city or chelsea...
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Old July 13th, 2012, 01:52 AM   #4725
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Forest just need a new main stand. Put all the the boxes and corporate stuff in there and you're fine. The other three stands are fairly new.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 12:58 PM   #4726
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It's recently one after another that has been taken over. Notthingham Forest, Reading, West Ham, QPR, Cardiff and I probalby forgot some more. If they all want to become a city or chelsea...
Reading, at least, break the mould in that respect as the owner hasn't been talking about spending millions to reach for the stars. Much stress on the need for financial prudence instead.

Unlike the other takeovers, he does have a link to the area too. He went to school down the road at Bearwood College, and stood on the terraces at the old Elm Park ground.
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Old July 13th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #4727
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i'd like to think QPR were not spending money for the hell of it like some drunken yuppie...Fernandes has committed to spending £6m for a new training ground,this was badly needed,plus part of it will be a community facility...we badly need a new ground,there is no way Loftus Rd can be expanded,and the new stadium,is,if you can believe it,going to be a multi-use facility than can host indoor events...TF has stated he wants QPP to become more self sufficient...but when you have fallen behind so badly,it takes some spending to catch up,a lot of the payers that have come in are free tansfers...ok,the wages are an issue,and you can argue that 45k is far too big,but there does seem to be some sort of business plan in place
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Old July 14th, 2012, 06:20 AM   #4728
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i'd like to think QPR were not spending money for the hell of it like some drunken yuppie...Fernandes has committed to spending £6m for a new training ground,this was badly needed,plus part of it will be a community facility...we badly need a new ground,there is no way Loftus Rd can be expanded,and the new stadium,is,if you can believe it,going to be a multi-use facility than can host indoor events...TF has stated he wants QPP to become more self sufficient...but when you have fallen behind so badly,it takes some spending to catch up,a lot of the payers that have come in are free tansfers...ok,the wages are an issue,and you can argue that 45k is far too big,but there does seem to be some sort of business plan in place
You're right, it does seem to be a sensible approach to progress. An advantage is that QPR has generally had low expectations as a football club, which gives you some leeway.
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Old July 17th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #4729
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White Hart Lane had a capacity approaching 60000 up until 1981.

Similar comments were made when Arsenal moved, ignoring the fact that Highbury also held almost 60,000 before going all-seater.
What's the point of being stuck in the 70s?
Progress must be made relating to issues such as crowd congestion after a match.

You mention Arsenal but the Emirates stadium is more centrally located causing less crowd dispersal problems.
Transport links are also much better there with a wider choice of nearby stations and achievable walking distances.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:19 PM   #4730
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What's the point of being stuck in the 70s?
Progress must be made relating to issues such as crowd congestion after a match.

You mention Arsenal but the Emirates stadium is more centrally located causing less crowd dispersal problems.
Transport links are also much better there with a wider choice of nearby stations and achievable walking distances.
Eh?

If the transport infrastructure could cope 20-30 years ago, it can cope now.

People moaned about Arsenal because they claimed the area couldn't cope with a 20,000 rise in crowds, even though crowds were at that 20,000 higher level just a few years earlier.

I'm not saying it coped well, but the implication was that 38,000 crowds were all the stations near Highbury ever had to deal with.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 05:16 PM   #4731
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Maidstone United

At long last, they're finally back home.

From Andy the Photographer on Flickr:



http://www.flickr.com/photos/andythe...er/7576278830/

Rotherham United

New stadium is nearly completed now.

From @AndyWillert:





https://twitter.com/#!/AndyWillert/media/grid

AFC Wimbledon


New (it will have 940 seats) stand being erected.

From @AFCWimbledon:



http://www.afcwimbledon.co.uk/-/feat...road-end-stand
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Old July 18th, 2012, 05:59 PM   #4732
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Happy for Maidstone to finally get back home, can't say many Gills fans of a certain age will agree with me though! I'm sure the "Squatters" nickname will prevail!

As for Rotherham, after everything they've been through with their old ground, former owners, Administration I'm really happy that they've got a fantastic new stadium, looking forward to going there next season. Even though essentially it's just another "boring bowl" I think it's got enough variation to show a bit of individuality, and the location is great.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 08:56 PM   #4733
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Those disabled sections (Like at the new stand at Molineux) ruin what would be a nice ground. 5 bloody rows of seats cut out to accommodate 1 row of wheelchairs? On every section of the ground? What on Earth?

How come the grounds being thrown up everywhere else on this planet aren't being ruined by such an aesthetic nightmare? Why can't disabled supporters sit alongside the pitch, etc. It looks awful to keep the PC Brigade happy!
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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #4734
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My father is disabled, and we have to use a wheelchair whenever we go to away games as he has huge trouble with his movement. The instances when we go to Modern grounds with these "aesthetic nightmares" it is a huge relief as they have very functional and easy access from the concourses to the stand. The reasons why these disabled areas are raised up are not because of some "PC" brigade's desire to ruin the aesthetics of the ground, it's because they are on ground level, and can be easily rolled in and out without having to go up or down any stairs, something older grounds that did not take this into account do not possess. In addition to how easier it is to having a designated disabled area in terms of access, it also prevents any intrusion onto other fans that would happen if they were placed alongside the pitch. My dad's wheelchair takes up the place of a seat, which would make the walkways along the pitch side even smaller and would take up more space from fellow supporters, causing congestion before/after kick off and at half time.

So yes, I'm sorry my dad's disability and movement limitations "ruins" the aesthetics, maybe my dad should stop going to football altogether, packing in 40 years worth of support just so you can have your precious aesthetics, but then I'm just a member of the "PC Brigade".
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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #4735
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I think those areas look fine.. if anything adds a bit of variation to the bowl
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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:32 PM   #4736
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Well Said Matthemod. Think having them area's for disabled fans is a great way to bring fans up highter to get a better view of the game. Darlington's old ground have them and where used. Also it might be because people don't want disabled fans getting hit in the face by a stray ball if said disabled people is unable to move their hands to block a shot.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:57 PM   #4737
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My father is disabled, and we have to use a wheelchair whenever we go to away games as he has huge trouble with his movement. The instances when we go to Modern grounds with these "aesthetic nightmares" it is a huge relief as they have very functional and easy access from the concourses to the stand. The reasons why these disabled areas are raised up are not because of some "PC" brigade's desire to ruin the aesthetics of the ground, it's because they are on ground level, and can be easily rolled in and out without having to go up or down any stairs, something older grounds that did not take this into account do not possess. In addition to how easier it is to having a designated disabled area in terms of access, it also prevents any intrusion onto other fans that would happen if they were placed alongside the pitch. My dad's wheelchair takes up the place of a seat, which would make the walkways along the pitch side even smaller and would take up more space from fellow supporters, causing congestion before/after kick off and at half time.

So yes, I'm sorry my dad's disability and movement limitations "ruins" the aesthetics, maybe my dad should stop going to football altogether, packing in 40 years worth of support just so you can have your precious aesthetics, but then I'm just a member of the "PC Brigade".
A little bit politic-incorrectly to say...

In Alkmaar at AZ the wheelchairs are alongside the pitch. Everything is on ground level, easy access to the max.

Look at this. In the middle.
[IMG]http://i50.************/34ni3hg.jpg[/IMG]

Of course there is a massive gap between stands and the pitch what provides this option. And they are not allways dry, but I can tell, they have the time of their lives.
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Old July 18th, 2012, 11:53 PM   #4738
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Does anyone know whether Forest might rekindle their stadium plans now they've been taken over? There's been talk both of expansion of the City Ground and, during the 2018 bid there was plan for a stadium out of town if I remember correctly.
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Mr Al-Hasawi said: "[A new stadium] is something we are looking at and studying. Our main focus and concern is to renovate and refurbish the existing stadium, the City Ground."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-18852686
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Old July 19th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #4739
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I'm sorry, but the wheelchair access should have been along the side of the (ground level) pitch, I guess like that AZ pic above. Perfect views and far more disabled space would have been provided.

In those huge disabled sections, there are 110 seats lost, to provide space for just 9 wheelchairs users & 9 helpers... I know people spit their dummies out nowadays if you dare questions decisions about minorities, the disabled, etc... But it ruins the ground and is a gross waste of space.

Are AZ and all the other clubs which use a similair approach anti-disabled? I don't think so, they're just being sensible.
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Old July 19th, 2012, 04:42 PM   #4740
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I'm not sorry for "spitting my dummy out" at you attacking a minority group which directly affects me because you feel the disabled areas "ruin" the ground. The examples listed by red 85 are not common throughout the UK, a country with stadiums that generally build new stadia with seating located as close to pitch side as possible, seen as trying to bring fans as close to the action as possible.

Yes if we went the European route and had elevated stands, with large gaps between the seating and the field then it would be logical to put the disabled fans there, I don't disagree with you in that, but that is not what is common through England and the rest of the UK in general.

Maybe instead of attacking disabled fans you should attack the stadium architects who didn't follow the european model of stadium design, and stop acting so bigoted to a minority group.
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