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[2005]

Originally Posted by MoreOrLess

Right now I'd guess...

Man Utd - 80-90,000
Liverpool -70-80,000
Arsenal - 60-70,000
Newcastle - 55-65,000
Spurs - 50-60,000
Chelsea - 50-60,000

As said though I don't think Chelsea are in the same position as the rest of the prem were the cost of a new stadium means they can't take a risk on it potentially not selling out.

I Would agree with that is about right IMO. In the matchday programme for our home game against Birmingham Levy said that he had plans to increase the capacity at WHL to 45,000 approved but then Levy said he wanted more seats so turned it down

I look at WHL and think all we need to do is build something like the West stand at Stamford Bridge to replace the West stand and East stands then we have an increase of capacity and in excutive boxes money back in a few years pay the loans back and we would be a raking it in.

These photos are not I repeat NOT the plans for redevelopment of WHL they were just an idea of Tottenham could do.

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by MoreOrLess

Right now I'd guess...

Man Utd - 80-90,000
Liverpool -70-80,000
Arsenal - 60-70,000
Newcastle - 55-65,000
Spurs - 50-60,000
Chelsea - 50-60,000

As said though I don't think Chelsea are in the same position as the rest of the prem were the cost of a new stadium means they can't take a risk on it potentially not selling out.

Hilarious, absolute nonsense. Have any of you actually been to a Liverpool game? It so easy to get a ticket and games rarely sell out. Spurs average 60000? hahahaha, have you visited planet earth? In a few years Arsenal will be down to a 50000-55000 average.

Here is the list of highest possible averages by a non-fanboy -

Man Utd - 80-90,000
Liverpool - 50-60000
Arsenal - 50-60000
Newcastle - 55-60000
Spurs - 40-45000
Chelsea - 45-50000

Seriously, Spurs fans are the best at these 'fanboy' posts. You've got to feel kind of sorry for them, they actually believe the rubbish they post!! I can just imagine them at home thinking to themselves 'Spurs, what a great massive club we are', whilst everybody else watches the big English/European teams on TV and never give Spurs a second thought!

[smoothestlady]

The Joys of Politics eh? hehe

[2005]

Originally Posted by bubomb

Hilarious, absolute nonsense. Have any of you actually been to a Liverpool game? It so easy to get a ticket and games rarely sell out. Spurs average 60000? hahahaha, have you visited planet earth? In a few years Arsenal will be down to a 50000-55000 average.

Here is the list of highest possible averages by a non-fanboy -

Man Utd - 80-90,000
Liverpool - 50-60000
Arsenal - 50-60000
Newcastle - 55-60000
Spurs - 40-45000
Chelsea - 45-50000

Seriously, Spurs fans are the best at these 'fanboy' posts. You've got to feel kind of sorry for them, they actually believe the rubbish they post!! I can just imagine them at home thinking to themselves 'Spurs, what a great massive club we are', whilst everybody else watches the big English/European teams on TV and never give Spurs a second thought!

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/matc...hes_media.html

Thats nine games in a row live on TV 5 Sky and 4 Prem Plus.

Go do what you do best get drunk and start a fight with a Celtic fan.

[andysimo123]

Well Liverpool wont even be finishing above United at this rate. They had the chance to leap frog us and guess what they lost at Chelsea and now they are losing at Charlton 2:0. If they lose this game which it looks like will happen and win the other game in hand they will still be 3 points behind United. Its now not what Liverpool do its want United do. They have Wigan at the weekend and then Arsenal mid week they could easily lose both those games. Chelsea have won the league theres no catching them.

[andysimo123]

Theres only 39,000 at Chelsea tonight. United get more than that when they play a none league team.

[MoreOrLess]

Originally Posted by bubomb

Hilarious, absolute nonsense. Have any of you actually been to a Liverpool game? It so easy to get a ticket and games rarely sell out. Spurs average 60000? hahahaha, have you visited planet earth? In a few years Arsenal will be down to a 50000-55000 average.

Here is the list of highest possible averages by a non-fanboy -

Man Utd - 80-90,000
Liverpool - 50-60000
Arsenal - 50-60000
Newcastle - 55-60000
Spurs - 40-45000
Chelsea - 45-50000

Seriously, Spurs fans are the best at these 'fanboy' posts. You've got to feel kind of sorry for them, they actually believe the rubbish they post!! I can just imagine them at home thinking to themselves 'Spurs, what a great massive club we are', whilst everybody else watches the big English/European teams on TV and never give Spurs a second thought!

I'm no Spurs fan but I don't see a 50,000 average as that outrageous. You'd guess both Arsenal and Liverpool would not be building and planning on building 60K grounds unless they were pretty much certain of near sellouts. As I'v said many times I think you underestimate the impact the extra season tickets have, its waiting lists not a a few empty seats at small midweek games you should really be looking at.

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by 2005

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/matc...hes_media.html

Thats nine games in a row live on TV 5 Sky and 4 Prem Plus.

Go do what you do best get drunk and start a fight with a Celtic fan.

I agree, you're a massive club, I've lost count of the number of times I've seen you play in the Champions League!!


Seriously, do you think Spurs will ever win a trophy again? I'm being serious!!

[2005]

Originally Posted by bubomb

I agree, you're a massive club, I've lost count of the number of times I've seen you play in the Champions League!!


Seriously, do you think Spurs will ever win a trophy again? I'm being serious!!

Aberdeen 2-0 Rangers
Celtic 2-1 Falkirk

Bad luck!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...le/default.stm

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by MoreOrLess

I'm no Spurs fan but I don't see a 50,000 average as that outrageous. You'd guess both Arsenal and Liverpool would not be building and planning on building 60K grounds unless they were pretty much certain of near sellouts. As I'v said many times I think you underestimate the impact the extra season tickets have, its waiting lists not a a few empty seats at small midweek games you should really be looking at.

It would be 50000 at the absolute max, but they would have to start winning things to get that. The main reason Arsenal are building a 60000 stadium is because of their success in the last 10 years. If Arsenal had performed like Spurs in the last 10 years, then they would not have built a new stadium.

As Spurs will never win the league in the next 3500 years, they will never get 50000.

[Lostboy]

i would say their are 4 clubs that can fill a 60,000 seat stadium. you forget that newcastle already have a 52k stadium and they sell 99.7% of their seats on average. thats the highest percentage in the league, an extra 8000 seats shouldn't be much of a problem

I agree, Newcastle - even though they just knocked us out of the FA Cup - could easily fill a 60,000 stadium. Geordieland is very proud of their city.

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by 2005

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/4689048.stm

I'm well aware of that. We are having a terrible year (still got the Champions League though), Spurs have had a terrible 20 years.

[2005]

Originally Posted by bubomb

It would be 50000 at the absolute max, but they would have to start winning things to get that. The main reason Arsenal are building a 60000 stadium is because of their success in the last 10 years. If Arsenal had performed like Spurs in the last 10 years, then they would not have built a new stadium.

As Spurs will never win the league in the next 3500 years, they will never get 50000.

A study found that Tottenham and Newcastle have about the same amount of fans. Newcastle have not won a trophy since 1969 Tottenham have won seven trophies since then and Newcastle get 52,000 a week you don't have to win loads of League titles to have a big fanbase Tottenham have won only two yet 8 F.A Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 European Cup Winners Cup and 3 League Cups have helped Tottenham develop a big following. I totally agree with Sitback you are not right some times yet go on about how your 100% right. Tottenham have over one million fans in this country alone and everyone knows that if 1m in this country alone apart from the high prices I don't know why we couldn't fill 50,000.

[2005]

Originally Posted by bubomb

I'm well aware of that. We are having a terrible year (still got the Champions League though), Spurs have had a terrible 20 years.

20 years?

in 85, 87 and 90 Tottenham finished third and also won the F.A cup in 91 so I would'nt say 20 it is 15 years that it hasn't been good.

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by 2005

A study found that Tottenham and Newcastle have about the same amount of fans. Newcastle have not won a trophy since 1969 Tottenham have won seven trophies since then and Newcastle get 52,000 a week you don't have to win loads of League titles to have a big fanbase Tottenham have won only two yet 8 F.A Cups, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 European Cup Winners Cup and 3 League Cups have helped Tottenham develop a big following. I totally agree with Sitback you are not right some times yet go on about how your 100% right. Tottenham have over one million fans in this country alone and everyone knows that if 1m in this country alone apart from the high prices I don't know why we couldn't fill 50,000.

These 'studies' mean nothing and are normally absolute bollocks. They do not have 1 million supporters, they may have a lot of people who say Spurs are their favourite team, but that is not a proper supporter. If that's the case, then Real Madrid must have about a billion 'supporters'. Spurs are a club who never win anything, never play in the Champions League and play in a small stadium. They are only big in the minds of Spurs fans. In Scotland, nobody ever talks about Spurs, most fans up here could only name two Spurs players (Keane and Davids). Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are the clubs talked about with Man United and Chelsea getting about 95% of the coverage of English football in Scotland. Spurs are classed as just another run-of-the-mill English club, in the same way Charlton, Man City etc are looked at.

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by 2005

20 years?

in 85, 87 and 90 Tottenham finished third and also won the F.A cup in 91 so I would'nt say 20 it is 15 years that it hasn't been good.

OOOOoooooooHHH.....3rd...... 20 years ago.........You must be so proud

Look out Madrid, Juventus etc...........Spurs finished 3rd when Shakin Stevens was topping the charts!!!

[2005]

Originally Posted by bubomb

OOOOoooooooHHH.....3rd...... 20 years ago.........You must be so proud.

Look out Madrid, Juventus etc...........Spurs finished 3rd when Shakin Stevens was topping the charts!!!

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh 4th in a really crappy league you must be sooooooo proud!

[bubomb]

Originally Posted by 2005

Ooooooooooooooooooooooh 4th in a really crappy league you must be sooooooo proud!

[2005]

Originally Posted by bubomb

These 'studies' mean nothing and are normally absolute bollocks. They do not have 1 million supporters, they may have a lot of people who say Spurs are their favourite team, but that is not a proper supporter. If that's the case, then Real Madrid must have about a billion 'supporters'. Spurs are a club who never win anything, never play in the Champions League and play in a small stadium. They are only big in the minds of Spurs fans. In Scotland, nobody ever talks about Spurs, most fans up here could only name two Spurs players (Keane and Davids). Man United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool are the clubs talked about with Man United and Chelsea getting about 95% of the coverage of English football in Scotland. Spurs are classed as just another run-of-the-mill English club, in the same way Charlton, Man City etc are looked at.

Oh noooooooooooooo we're not popular in Scotland!

Scotland is a lot different to England I've been talking to ots of people and they have been impressed by Spurs and like their transfer policy of buy young English players. The system has so far worked as we're 4th at the meoment and playing good football call us a run of the mill all you want but when was the last time you were in the top 15 in the world's richest club list?
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh yeah I foregot NEVER! like to see Rangers have a £70m turnover in fact when was he last time Rangers were in the top 20?

[bubomb]

With £800000 TV money a year and none of the spin offs that TV money and TV coverage generates, it's pretty hard to make the rich list. What do Spurs get? £20 million a year? We both know that Rangers in terms of support are far far bigger than Spurs. Rangers sold 650000 strips in Scotland alone. The only team that sold more in the UK was Man United. Put Rangers or Celtic in the English league and we would need to build 100000 stadiums, not 50000 stadiums. We are very close to the top 20 rich list and used to be in it all the time. The fact that a team from a country with 5 million people can get in or near this list is remarkable!!

What has Rangers got to do with this anyway? Scotland has 5 million people, England has 50 million people!!! Greater London alone has almost three times the population of the whole of Scotland. It's like comparing Denmark to Germany!!

Spurs have never played in the Champions League and never win trophies. Face it - Spurs are crap! If Spurs have a huge fanbase, it means you are even more crap than I thought. If I were you, I would be trying to say you are a small club and play down the number of fans you have, as if you are a big club, then you are unbelievably crap!!

If you have a million supporters and are one of the biggest English clubs, then why do you never win any domestic trophies or qualify for the Champions League? Either you are not a big club, or you are a big club that happens to also be a crap club!! It's your choice?