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Old July 15th, 2008, 04:19 AM   #1
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Yellow Hard Shoulders and 'New World' signage on Motorways in Europe?

Something ive been wondering about. Is Ireland the only country to use yellow hard shoulders and 'New World' (American yellow diamond style signage) in Europe?


Example - Yellow Hard Shoulder





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Only example I can find but they are the standard signage over here for pretty much everything - like the white and red UK signs.

Anyway ive never come across either on the Continent and I know the UK is white hard shoulder. Same where ive been on the continent. Never seen yellow h/s or yellow standard signage.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 04:50 AM   #2
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Our yellow line is in the middle for traffic flow separation. I think it's an interesting idea. I'm not sure how roads work without the yellow center line if they do use lines.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 06:01 AM   #3
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Israel and South Africa also use a yellow line on the hard shoulder (I know they're not in Europe, but still). Actually, in Israel it is used to indicate the outer edges of the road whether there is a hard shoulder or not. It is not used only when there is a curb. It works quite well, since you know that a yellow line is one you should never cross (you may end up in a ditch). It's quite useful on 2-lane roads at night, where the yellow lines clearly delineate the "safe zone".

However, I like our North American system much better, since sometimes it may be somewhat confusing to know whether a white line separates flow in the same direction or different directions (usually it is not a problem, but I have seen some situations where ambiguity exists, especially for drivers who are inexperienced with the system). Since most of the time a white line is broken in North America (you rarely have a solid white line separating traffic flowing in the same direction - usually in tunnels and bridges or some dangerous sections of highway), a solid white line usually unambiguously identifies the outer edges of the road and works just as well as the yellow one, without the ambiguity which exists at the centre. So while all systems generally work well, I do think that this is one thing North America got right.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 08:36 AM   #4
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I'm not sure how roads work without the yellow center line if they do use lines.
Roads work as they were painted with yellow, just they are in different color. Or did you mean something else? Actually, does it matter?
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Old July 15th, 2008, 09:15 AM   #5
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Our yellow line is in the middle for traffic flow separation. I think it's an interesting idea. I'm not sure how roads work without the yellow center line if they do use lines.
Since in Europe all marking is white, the centre line is usually of different width and has different broken line intervals. For instance, in Russia and Ukraine a solid white line is usually used on 2x1 roads to separate opposite traffic and to prohibit overtaking. A broken white line on 2x1 roads also separates opposite traffic but allows overtaking in both directions. A white solid line and a broken line next to it has exactly the same meaning as the yellow setting in New World. It's a bit ambiguous (especially for a New World visitor), but I have never heard of an accident due to white marking confusion. For the record, I also prefer yellow colour for centre lines.

Have you actually driven in Italy or used public transport?
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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:25 AM   #6
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Actually I wonder, how you people drive if you make decisions on road depending on full line marking colors.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #7
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Australia only uses white lines, except in areas which see regular snowfalls, and there is sometimes a problem of dashed white lines which can look identical when they're separating opposing traffic or lanes in a dual carriageway.

The fact that there is often a huge distance or thick tree cover between carriageways doesn't help either.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 11:58 AM   #8
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Israel and South Africa also use a yellow line on the hard shoulder (I know they're not in Europe, but still). Actually, in Israel it is used to indicate the outer edges of the road whether there is a hard shoulder or not. It is not used only when there is a curb. It works quite well, since you know that a yellow line is one you should never cross (you may end up in a ditch). It's quite useful on 2-lane roads at night, where the yellow lines clearly delineate the "safe zone".
I was also surprised at why we have a unique road marking system. It stems from the Irish road marking, which Israel and South Africa adopted during colonial/mandate times. By the way, I have seen in Europe yellow outer edges but I think it has something to do with parking laws.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 12:35 PM   #9
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Shoulders were delimited by yellow lines in Italy since the begginning of '90s, then they changed with white lines (I think because they now use yellow lines for bus lanes, what it's quite common in many countries in Europe...)
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Yellow markings are temporary markings in the Netherlands, in case of roadworks with changed roadway situations.
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Some pics from early '80s of Italian highways with yellow lines







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Old July 15th, 2008, 01:21 PM   #12
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In the UK there are single yellow lines and double yellow lines at the edge of roads to denote the ability to park. Double yellow lines mean absolutely no parking or stopping I believe (I can't remember my highway code )
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In Bulgaria we also use the yellow hard shoulders but I haven't seen the diamond shaped signs
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Old July 15th, 2008, 02:27 PM   #14
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Yellow markings are temporary markings in the Netherlands, in case of roadworks with changed roadway situations.
The same in Italy, combined with vertical roadsigns with yellow background.



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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:04 PM   #15
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Shoulders were delimited by yellow lines in Italy since the begginning of '90s, then they changed with white lines (I think because they now use yellow lines for bus lanes, what it's quite common in many countries in Europe...)
Interesting, I did not know that. BTW In Norway we use the American system with road markings, yellow line for separating traffic directions (Except on motorways wich are all white). Our road signs on the other hand is pure European with red and white triangels. Exception here is temporary signs wich are yellow.
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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:07 PM   #16
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Yellow markings are temporary markings in the Netherlands, in case of roadworks with changed roadway situations.
The same in Czech, sometimes the original white is repainted by black temporarily
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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:13 PM   #17
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Czechoslovakia had them on D1 in 70s I think
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Old July 15th, 2008, 03:18 PM   #18
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Hard to say. I was born in 1983

edit: there's a lot of old pictures in this book and I don't see any yellow lines.
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Yellow markings are temporary markings in the Netherlands, in case of roadworks with changed roadway situations.
In Israel, roadworks are marked with orange or red markings. The orange is more common, and I have no idea why there should be more than one option. This is a pic from the Israel highways thread, apparently it's Road 6 where the new Road 431 is being built:


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Old July 15th, 2008, 04:47 PM   #20
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In Israel, roadworks are marked with orange or red markings. The orange is more common, and I have no idea why there should be more than one option. This is a pic from the Israel highways thread, apperarently it's Road 6 where the new Road 431 is being built:

That's interesting. I always thought it'd be cool in the UK to have a yellow line in the centre and a red line for the hard shoulder, leaving lane lanes white, just like the colour code of our cats eyes.
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