ULEB Euroleague Arenas

[berkshire royal]

This is a bit of a strange question but can anyone explain to me how big Euroleauge and the clubs that compete in the competition are as I’m from the UK Basketball is a very minor sport and doesn't get much coverage all I know about Euroleague is that many of the clubs are part of the football clubs and is essentially a brother club. What I’m interested to know is the relationships within these clubs level in terms of financing or is to one sided. Also how does the broadcasting and commercial side of the competition compare to say the NBA and the Football equivalent in Europe?

[dudu24]

Originally Posted by berkshire royal

This is a bit of a strange question but can anyone explain to me how big Euroleauge and the clubs that compete in the competition are as I’m from the UK Basketball is a very minor sport and doesn't get much coverage all I know about Euroleague is that many of the clubs are part of the football clubs and is essentially a brother club. What I’m interested to know is the relationships within these clubs level in terms of financing or is to one sided. Also how does the broadcasting and commercial side of the competition compare to say the NBA and the Football equivalent in Europe?

Well, it depends from club to club, country to country. For example PAO and Olympiacos football and basketball clubs have different owners and clubs don't share anything in terms of budget. On other hand Spanish clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona are part of their sports collective and they share their budget with other "Barca" clubs. For example Laporta is president of football, bball and handball Barca clubs.

As for how big it is? In south-eastern/southern Europe is almost as big as football (in some places is actually is bigger than football) while in other countries its no2 sport. It can't be compared with NBA and football in term of TV revenue and overall money involved but the numbers are increasing every year. In last few yrs there have been alot of Abamovich like owners which invested some pretty big money even in football terms so league is improving alot.

But in terms of support its clearly best league in the world (NCAA is not PRO)

[Kaspers]

Olimpija Ljubljana


The arena will be constructed by the end of 2010. It will have 12.000 seats, there are no new renders, so I'm not sure if the design will remain the same.

[piraB4L]

Originally Posted by Kaspers

Olimpija Ljubljana


The arena will be constructed by the end of 2010. It will have 12.000 seats, there are no new renders, so I'm not sure if the design will remain the same.

Any more photos of this arèna?

[Kaspers]

Here's a model, also quite dated. It is said that the interior will be similar to Stuttgart's Porsche arena.




Porsche arena, Stuttgart



And here is the interior design from circa 10 years ago Luckily it wont be used.

[dudu24]

Is that new Bezigrad next to it?

[Zorba]

@en1044: To go back to your argument about the size and dimentions of NBA courts, I wouldn't say it is "unfair" at all to NBA players that Europeans and South Americans are more use to FIBA rules courts. The are examples of sports being played with different rules from country to country. Look at the NHL, Euro rinks are wider and longer than NHL rinks, with the dimensions of the red, blue lines as well as the goalie crease being totally different. However this hasn't stopped the US or Canada from being pretty successful in international hockey.

I personally believe that it doesn't give European players much of an advantage at all, it just makes them better shooters because shooting becomes the main focus of the game. Different styles of basketball, same holds true with Euro vs. NHL hockey. Plus if these NBA players are getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars anyways then should be great shooters anyways....

[Kaspers]

Originally Posted by dudu24

Is that new Bezigrad next to it?

No, that will be the new national stadium, but football club Olimpija might play there, as NK Interblock took over the Bežigrad stadium and is currently renovating it.

[en1044]

Originally Posted by Zorba

@en1044: To go back to your argument about the size and dimentions of NBA courts, I wouldn't say it is "unfair" at all to NBA players that Europeans and South Americans are more use to FIBA rules courts. The are examples of sports being played with different rules from country to country. Look at the NHL, Euro rinks are wider and longer than NHL rinks, with the dimensions of the red, blue lines as well as the goalie crease being totally different. However this hasn't stopped the US or Canada from being pretty successful in international hockey.

I personally believe that it doesn't give European players much of an advantage at all, it just makes them better shooters because shooting becomes the main focus of the game. Different styles of basketball, same holds true with Euro vs. NHL hockey. Plus if these NBA players are getting paid hundreds of millions of dollars anyways then should be great shooters anyways....

It does make a difference. Because European players are better shooters it takes away from the typical American style of attacking the basket. Its like playing an entirely different game, and it is unfair. The style of International basketball also sometimes requires the use of a zone defense which isnt as common in the NBA. We will have to wait until FIBA changes the courts in a few years to see but IMO the game will change considerably.

[Kuvvaci]

does FIBA want to change the courts?

[en1044]

Originally Posted by Kuvvaci

does FIBA want to change the courts?

They already decided to change them by 2010. There will be a NBA style restricted area and the three point line will be pushed back.

[www.sercan.de]

So in some years we will have this list

KK Partizan - Belgrade Arena (19,982)
KK Cibona - Arena Zagreb (16,500)
Real Madrid Baloncesto - New Arena (16,000 - 20,000)
ALBA Berlin - o2 World (15,500)
Fenerbahçe Ülker SK - New Arena (15,000)
BC Žalgiris - Kauna Arena (14,500)
Panionis Nea Smyrni - Helliniko Arena (14,500)
Prokom Trefl Sopot - Sports Arena Gdansk (13,500)
Joventut Badalona - Palau Municipal d'Esports de Badalona (12,500)
Olympiacos B.C - Peace and Friendship Stadium (12,171)
AJ Olimpia Milano - Forum di Assago (12,000)
Maccabi Tel Aviv B.C. - nokia Arena (11,700)
Pallacanestro Virtus Roma - PalaLottomatica (11,200)
Efes Pilsen SK - Abdi Ipekçi Arena (10,550)
CB Málaga - Jose Maria Martin Carpena Arena (10,500)
Panathinaikos BC - New Arena (+10,000)



FC Barcelona?
CSKA Moscow?


Efes should be kicked out when by 2011 or 2012 Galatasaray has finished is new arena (15,500). I hope

[KONSTANTINOUPOLIS]

Olympiakos - 12k
Panathinaikos - 10+k
Aris - 10k
Iraklis - 5-10k
Heraklion - 5.2k (U/C)
Thessaloniki - Big multisports hall
and couple more.

[dudu24]

I suppose that Barca will play in Palau Sant Jordi because i don't see how could they possibly expand Blaugrana to 10 000.




For CSKA i don't know

[Kuvvaci]

Sercan I don't think Galatasaray will build a new arena. And Efes is so successfull, no need Galatasaray replaces it.

[CrazySerb]

Its not so easy apparently...for example, KK Partizan Belgrade is not rich enough to even be able to afford to play in "Belgrade Arena" - the user fee just for one night is in excess of 20.000 euros + VAT.

Most likely, a new & cheper arena will be built for Partizan, between 10-12.000 capacity.

[koolio]

Originally Posted by CrazySerb

Its not so easy apparently...for example, KK Partizan Belgrade is not rich enough to even be able to afford to play in "Belgrade Arena" - the user fee just for one night is in excess of 20.000 euros + VAT.

Most likely, a new & cheper arena will be built for Partizan, between 10-12.000 capacity.

Who is the Belgrade Arena being built for then?

[CrazySerb]

Oh, the arena is already built. THese days, the arena mostly hosts concerts, political rallies and the occasional national sporting event, like the recent Davis Cup match between Serbia & Australia. Apparently, one needs to sell 8.000 seats (out of 20.000+ ) just to break even. Anything below that and you're looking at a loss.

Here you have a list of past & future events:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...Belgrade_Arena

[CrazySerb]

Btw, here's a better pic of Belgrade's famous Pionir Hall...worse come to worse, this arena could probably be expanded to 10.000+ capacity.

[www.sercan.de]

Originally Posted by KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

Olympiakos - 12k
Panathinaikos - 10+k
Aris - 10k
Iraklis - 5-10k
Heraklion - 5.2k (U/C)
Thessaloniki - Big multisports hall
and couple more.

Olympiask new arena?