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nomarandlee · July 20th, 2008, 11:05 PM

I'm envious, this is almost the same exact type of stadium I envisioned the Bears should have built in almost every facet.

eMKay · July 21st, 2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by EADGBE

Very nice, but how many attempts are they going to have before one gets built? Are they having a competition with Anfield to see who can abort the most projects?

These are proposals, not projects. Huge difference.

Big Texan · July 21st, 2008, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nomarandlee

I'm envious, this is almost the same exact type of stadium I wish the Bears had built.

you wanted the Bears to be in this? Soldier with its modifications is better.

Benn · July 21st, 2008, 02:44 AM

Soldier is better for your average fan but, the 11,000 more seats would be nice for the Bears they have a good fan base. And the ability to host Final Fours and Super Bowls is something many people consider important. The New Soldier is really nice, just kind of on the small side for an NFL venue.

bing222 · July 21st, 2008, 03:03 AM

When will contruction start

Benn · July 21st, 2008, 03:54 AM

This is still just a proposal by the MSFC, and there will probably be a competing proposal submitted by the Vikings themselves, however if approved by the legislature, they could start dismantling most of the Metrodome in 2009 (assuming the university of Minnesota allows a ground share at their new stadium). If they do not secure funding from the state (and it looks kind of unlikely this year) it may not start until 2010 or 2011. The current lease on the dome runs through 2011, so that is seen as the deadline for new project to commence or else the team could threaten to move.
This puts the opening date between 2012 and 2014 in all likelyhood.

EADGBE · July 22nd, 2008, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eMKay

These are proposals, not projects. Huge difference.

I think you're splitting hairs by invoking a technical definition of project. Given that these proposals were all made public, with the pursuant risk of credibility loss, it's a safe bet to say that they have all been expected by someone to come to fruition. That to me is still their project, even if I use that word in the more generic sense - as defined by a dictionary*.

* Ironically, there is a second definition: (US) An urban low-income housing building.

Benn · November 9th, 2008, 12:13 AM

Here is a link to the MSFC website's page on the reconstruction proposal. The bottom PDF has Ellerbe Becket's analysis and conceptual design (including larger renderings).

http://www.msfc.com/tour.cfm

Apparently however, the MSFC has commission HKS and Mortenson Construction for another reconstruction proposal, so will have to wait and see what happens with that.

krudmonk · November 9th, 2008, 01:15 AM

The proportions on those drawings are very inconsistent from interior to exterior. The outside looks about half the size of what it contains.

Benn · November 10th, 2008, 04:59 AM

Yeah they are very conceptual, I think it has to do witht the scale of the people and cars used in the exterior renderings, they are probably 15 feet tall given the scale of the buildings.

massp88 · November 10th, 2008, 04:48 PM

Why do the Viking want to have a roof on their stadium? They are losing such a big advantage by covering things up.

GunnerJacket · November 10th, 2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by massp88

Why do the Viking want to have a roof on their stadium? They are losing such a big advantage by covering things up.

It might have something to do with the avg. temp plummeting below 40 by November. Possibly.

Somnifor · November 10th, 2008, 05:43 PM

I suspect that the chance of this getting public funding in the current political and economic climate is pretty close to zero. Nobody should hold their breath waiting for this to be built.

Benn · November 10th, 2008, 06:07 PM

I would expect that if the economy picks up, something will get under way by 2011, most likely a redevelopement, but I don't expect anything to be completed before 2013 at any rate.

massp88 · November 10th, 2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GunnerJacket

It might have something to do with the avg. temp plummeting below 40 by November. Possibly.

You realize that before the Metrodome, the Vikings did play outside. This is a HUGE advantage they are losing, perhaps the best advantage a team could have. You take dome teams and teams from warmer climates and out them outside and it's a big advantage for the home team.

GunnerJacket · November 10th, 2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by massp88

You realize that before the Metrodome, the Vikings did play outside. This is a HUGE advantage they are losing, perhaps the best advantage a team could have. You take dome teams and teams from warmer climates and out them outside and it's a big advantage for the home team.

No doubt, and personally I'd rather see them outside. Ditto my in laws who live in Coon Rapids, Mankato and Anoka. (Twin City suburbs, for those unfamiliar) But even they acknowledge the clientele for NFL games these days have a preference for kinder climates. So the Gophers will do fine in their new outdoor stadium, filled largely with students and playing maybe 2 games after 10/31, likely both in the daytime. The Vikings, meanwhile, could have 3 or 4 more games beyond that date, including a few at night. To say nothing of play-off dates in January. I just don't know if the corporate fans would be willing to go the Green Bay/Chicago route having already enjoyed the HHH Dome. We'll see.

More importantly, though, is likely the convention factor. Surely the dome is a hook for the public financing, enabling the facility to host far more events besides football, even in cold weather. And heaven knows if they do this they'll get the standard NFL guarantee of 1 Super Bowl, no matter how small the venue or cold the climate.

Mr. Met · February 2nd, 2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by en1044

I like the buildings on the two sides of the endzone

Ganis · June 3rd, 2009, 05:19 AM

that would be an awesome proposal. Whats the news on this?

Kapow32 · June 3rd, 2009, 05:42 AM

ugh, if only the vikings and lions played outside, then the nfc north would be the best division in football, no matter how mediocre/shitty the teams may be, no one would want to play up here after mid-november. And it would produce loads of awesome late-season battles for the division title

hprockshp · June 3rd, 2009, 11:24 PM

That's true just see the record that the packers used to have when they played below 0°.
Is more than just cold is a enormous advantage for these teams.

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July 21st, 2008, 02:44 AM	#24
Benn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,405 Likes (Received): 5	Soldier is better for your average fan but, the 11,000 more seats would be nice for the Bears they have a good fan base. And the ability to host Final Fours and Super Bowls is something many people consider important. The New Soldier is really nice, just kind of on the small side for an NFL venue.

July 21st, 2008, 03:54 AM	#26
Benn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,405 Likes (Received): 5	This is still just a proposal by the MSFC, and there will probably be a competing proposal submitted by the Vikings themselves, however if approved by the legislature, they could start dismantling most of the Metrodome in 2009 (assuming the university of Minnesota allows a ground share at their new stadium). If they do not secure funding from the state (and it looks kind of unlikely this year) it may not start until 2010 or 2011. The current lease on the dome runs through 2011, so that is seen as the deadline for new project to commence or else the team could threaten to move. This puts the opening date between 2012 and 2014 in all likelyhood.

November 9th, 2008, 12:13 AM	#28
Benn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,405 Likes (Received): 5	Here is a link to the MSFC website's page on the reconstruction proposal. The bottom PDF has Ellerbe Becket's analysis and conceptual design (including larger renderings). http://www.msfc.com/tour.cfm Apparently however, the MSFC has commission HKS and Mortenson Construction for another reconstruction proposal, so will have to wait and see what happens with that.

November 9th, 2008, 01:15 AM	#29
krudmonk sucks Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sannozay Posts: 1,646 Likes (Received): 4	The proportions on those drawings are very inconsistent from interior to exterior. The outside looks about half the size of what it contains.

November 10th, 2008, 04:59 AM	#30
Benn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,405 Likes (Received): 5	Yeah they are very conceptual, I think it has to do witht the scale of the people and cars used in the exterior renderings, they are probably 15 feet tall given the scale of the buildings.

November 10th, 2008, 04:48 PM	#31
massp88 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,183 Likes (Received): 0	Why do the Viking want to have a roof on their stadium? They are losing such a big advantage by covering things up.

November 10th, 2008, 05:43 PM	#33
Somnifor Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 2,595 Likes (Received): 111	I suspect that the chance of this getting public funding in the current political and economic climate is pretty close to zero. Nobody should hold their breath waiting for this to be built.

November 10th, 2008, 06:07 PM	#34
Benn Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,405 Likes (Received): 5	I would expect that if the economy picks up, something will get under way by 2011, most likely a redevelopement, but I don't expect anything to be completed before 2013 at any rate.

June 3rd, 2009, 05:19 AM	#38
Ganis BANNED Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas / Amarillo Posts: 1,783 Likes (Received): 0	that would be an awesome proposal. Whats the news on this?

June 3rd, 2009, 05:42 AM	#39
Kapow32 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: chicago Posts: 97 Likes (Received): 2	ugh, if only the vikings and lions played outside, then the nfc north would be the best division in football, no matter how mediocre/shitty the teams may be, no one would want to play up here after mid-november. And it would produce loads of awesome late-season battles for the division title

June 3rd, 2009, 11:24 PM	#40
hprockshp H3PA Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Guatemala City Posts: 156 Likes (Received): 0	That's true just see the record that the packers used to have when they played below 0°. Is more than just cold is a enormous advantage for these teams.