#Tanzania: Economy, Trade, Development

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Bongolala

I know I am not the best in English but Horrible sentence construction highlighted in red!

DR. Mark S,

many of you have time to spell check, grammal and all that, to console your poor academical background. It is what it is, they/you are good in english and very poor in reasoning.

i dont need to see those links since I have a brain to evaluate things...you are a screwball reason why you copy and paste. Other kenyans could have supported you on this issue but why you are left alone? coz you are a screwball.

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

many of youhave time to spell check, grammal and all that, to console your poor academical background. It is what it is, they/you are good in english and very poor in reasoning.

i dont need to see those links since I have a brain to evaluate things...you are a screwball reason why you copy and paste. Other kenyans could have supported you on this issue but why you are left alone? coz you are a screwball.

You are getting pathetic.

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

me and you came from a long way! and exchaged a lot academically!

Dude stop making a fool of yourself and the school you went to. I would rather you keep off that word 'academics' and keep us fooled that you are a sane fool than keep mentioning it and let everybody know that you are an insane fool! Dude I could construct better sentences when I was in nursery school than the kind of bullshit you chew here! No one can spot any element of academic knowledge in any field from the bullshit you feed us on here, stop embarassing yourself.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Mintali

Dude I could construct better sentences when I was in nursery school than the kind of bullshit you chew here! No one can spot any element of academic knowledge in any field from the bullshit you feed us on here, stop embarassing yourself.

I know, from kenyan point of view, english is a viable skill; so if you write better you are therefore knowledgeable. if that is the case, every briton is educated right from the birth.

very stupid and since russians and chinese cant speak or write english better like me....we are fools

you are just reminding me the importance of decolonizing the mind, your colonial masters have twisted your brain.

from nursery to high school we use swahili.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Mintali

I could construct better "english" sentences when I was in nursery school! No one can spot any element of academic knowledge in any field from the bullshit you feed us on here, stop embarassing yourself.

I cant stop laughing! so if you can write better in english, its where ppl can spot element of academic knowledge?? you are mentally rotten!

english is just a language and not a viable skill at all.I am good at other International language/s such as swahili and you are not good at it but it doesnt mean that you are unskilled from my reasoning point of view.

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

I know, from kenyan point of view, english is a viable skill; so if you write better you are therefore knowledgeable. if that is the case, every briton is educated right from the birth.

very stupid and since russians and chinese cant speak or write english better like me....we are fools

you are just reminding me the importance of decolonizing the mind, your colonial masters have twisted your brain.

from nursery to high school we use swahili.

Dude when we talk of education, its university education we are talking of. If it's high school education that keeps your mouth spiced with self acclaimed titles like 'am an academic, am a pyschic, no Kenyan can match my education here', the I feel pity for you - you must be retarded.
I understand Tanzanian universities teach in English, If you can't type in good English, then its a very pathetic degree you hold dude. Its very logical that anybody who qualifies to be a university student anywhere in the world should be able to master the language they are taught in and if you can't, then you got no business lecturing people here on academics. So long students leave countries like Kenya to go and study in Japan where they learn in Japanese and within the first two months, their Japanese is comparatively a hundred times better than the English you diorrhea here.

[Bongolala]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

I know, from kenyan point of view, english is a viable skill; so if you write better you are therefore knowledgeable. if that is the case, every briton is educated right from the birth.

very stupid and since russians and chinese cant speak or write english better like me....we are fools

you are just reminding me the importance of decolonizing the mind, your colonial masters have twisted your brain.

from nursery to high school we use swahili.

Duh! Mbishi kapatikana!
Mkuu, you are the one who claimed to be better educated than everyone and wrote it in the english skills of a 4 year old!

Sasa you are under fire and are blaming it on colonisation! Be dignified and eat the humble pie.

[Bongolala]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

many of you have time to spell check, grammal and all that, to console your poor academical background. It is what it is, they/you are good in english and very poor in reasoning.

i dont need to see those links since I have a brain to evaluate things...you are a screwball reason why you copy and paste. Other kenyans could have supported you on this issue but why you are left alone? coz you are a screwball.

Yako ni ugonjwa, Wakenya walikufanya nini? lets get back to the topic and please Wakenya ignore this boy and stay out of it.

You asked for proof and now you are saying you dont need it because it proves you wrong! Umepatikana leo! I know you are working on deleting my points from this thread!

[Mintali]

And please Uhuru, stop PMing me with your useless unreadable paragraphs. Your retard head won't let you realize that the private messages that you are sending me are the very same you are posting on this thread.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Mintali

If you can't type in good English, then its a very pathetic degree you hold dude.

words like "dude" are used by junkies. you are a junk, its very clear to me how bad the colonial era has been to us as africans. that is, if we do not willingly embrace mental slavery then knowledge is impossible.

english and knowledge are two things, english being a name of a language and knowledge is familiarity of a thing. You lapse into sophistry when you identify two things as one.

You better hold your sophistical explanation and your twisted mentality.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Bongolala

Yako ni ugonjwa, Wakenya walikufanya nini? lets get back to the topic and please Wakenya ignore this boy and stay out of it.

You asked for proof and now you are saying you dont need it because it proves you wrong! Umepatikana leo! I know you are working on deleting my points from this thread!

how do you know that i deleted your posts? that means my assumption is correct. I used to delete your posts on the other thread "Tanzania hot chicks" but never deleted any on here. you need to work on your memory to be a perfect cheater.

nimepatikan na nani? I am working while talking to you fools...and i shall leave here after an hour from now, i dont see any thing serious on here...wether you or any, the reality is reality, get to know one better. mwanamwiwa, nairobery used to be just like him and now, they dont confront me any how.

[Bongolala]

Ok, PROF. Uhuru na Umoja Lets get back to the points....hahha

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

...that is according to your newspaper [Kenyan newspaper] always fabricating issues, its a kenyan character to steal either the truth/reality/money..and so forth. In real life Kenyans steal sugar, food, gemstom, from Tanzania and in skyscrapercity.com they steal our girls and post them on their thread. Try to lie everyone on here of who they real are.


lets look at 44.9% of middle class in kenyan as supposed by their newspaper:
in 2010, total population was 40,512.68
this is equvalent to 18,189,888 middle class totality.
Low income earners is above 18,189,888
other being 6,000,000
total: 42,379,776

I just need someone to get down with logically on this.

way beyond the total kenyan population, that is there is no employment problems in kenya and even kids of five months have jobs or just take the totality of kenyan workforce, its not working at all, they are freaking liars!

Tanzania total workforce is twice of kenyan, good thing about it is that, 77% are independed, self-employed in mining and mainly in agricultural sector.

but reality in kenya is: Students at Outspan Medical College skip a meal to feed the hungry. jamuhurireport.com

"Mr. Awori said Kenya is estimated to host more than 300,000 children and youth on the streets who engage in survival tactics that endanger their well being and that of the society. "Most of them are abused, neglected, exposed to criminal and gang activities, suffer poor health due to their lifestyles and exposure to harsh environment, drug and substance abuse, and exposure to HIV/AIDS infection", gvnet.com

For Starving Children of Kenya, 42 Tons of Dog Food.
"The first plan was to send dog biscuits and change the vitamins then when I heard there were so many little children I could not send them a bicky," she explained.

"The dogs thrive on it. They have energy, put on weight. It's bizarre but if it's edible and it works for these people, then it's a brilliant idea. It beats eating rice," she said. itsabouttimebpp.com

they are making noise due to "Deacons" what is the total investment of this shop/s? less that $1m. Tanzania/China single investment: $7billion. Tanzania/Brazil: $3Billion, talkless of $8billion to be injected by gas company soon. we cant change our pro-poor policies due to some shop/s like "Deacons" "shoperite" and the rest. Tanzania is a free market for them and the small-scale retailers, if they cant stand Tanzania small-scale retailers; they should just pack and go, quickly.

Extreme cases ziko hata hapa tanzania! Your way of arguing is attacking another country rather than addressing the real issues hapa nyumbani. We are not able to adress our own issue that is y you go to other forums to cause havoc.

Ripoti hiyo ni ya African Development Bank! CCM has lied to us for ages and there is not freedom of expression and that is why JK won an election by over 80%

sources hizi hapa....
http://www.afdb.org/en/news-and-even...rts-afdb-7986/

http://botholtd.com/index.php?option...inks&Itemid=41

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/...11/12/juma.htm

http://govinthelab.com/the-middle-cl...s-afdb-report/

Those are four links showing the truth about the middle class, the fact ni kwamba we need to do a lot to improve our economy and our middle class.

You asked for proof, links hizo! Lakini @uhuru & co believes the IMF, AFDB, GOV IN THE LAB & BOTHOLD all who prove my point!!! are all being used by Kenyans to make Tanzania look bad!!!

PROVE WHAT YOU ALSO SAID ABOUT ME BTW & Please dont respond with insults!

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Mintali

And please Uhuru, stop PMing me with your useless unreadable paragraphs. Your retard head won't let you realize that the private messages that you are sending me are the very same you are posting on this thread.

Originally Posted by Mintali

useless unreadable paragraphs

two adjectives on a row! our english masters! you have nothing to teach us instead teach yourself "parts of speech"

[Bongolala]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

two adjectives on a row! our english masters! you have nothing to teach us instead teach yourself "parts of speech"

Let everyone bear witness, he is unable to discuss the issues and all he can do is to start attacking people!

[TZBoy]

This is seriously get out of hand! A perfectly good thread has been ruined by all this bashing. Can't we just continue posting news about Tanzania's Economy and move on from there. I do not mind guests coming in and posting news here or giving their opinions however I do not condone country bashind Let us please get back to the topic at hand and stop this bashing

[kijan]

Originally Posted by u.g boy

i get you when they say shopping malls i think they mean like proper western style malls ,plazas and arcade are slightly different . either way its upsetting that a store is closing up shop over 5 years of losses .are you saying there are no mini boutique style shops in Kampala? (i didn't understand the way you worded your point)

If we can get back to the point after the x-boarder bashing; the main problem of the shutting down of decons is the business strategy. They unfortunately made the assumption that the Tz lifestyle is that if you get into the largest mall you are set. We have the W-store (Woolworth) for going on 16yrs, Brandhouse +20 years, AKs even longer, there are also the Mariedos...... And hundreds of smaller boutique stores there are going strong. Common denominator among the successful ones; NONE of their flagship stores are in a mall.

Real Dar residents will concur here, if a woman wanted to shop they would start at Kinondoni, Msasani, Sinza and end up in Kariakoo. For the men Mwenge, Survey and city centre.

When I hear of trueworth and 4U2, first thing that comes to mind is poor quality at high prices at least Mr Price sell at the right price point for the stuff they have. Someone said they won't miss them as they have never shopped there, I am of the same mindset, even when I travel to SA I never visit them, one gets better quality at Edgers.

Another issue is they only opened one store each and left it at that; how do you build a brand that way? One store in one mall? Recipe failure. For me I don't care if a SA brand operated by a Kenyan company fails, we won't go around naked and we have alternatives. This is another example of companies setting up shop in Kenya assuming that Kenyans understand the EA market.

It has nothing to do with statistics more to do with understanding the market, where the decons guys did not do their homework.

My advice to any foreign investor coming to TZ, our brothers in Kenya included, get a local to run the show, they will tend to understand the market better.

[TZBoy]

Originally Posted by kijan

If we can get back to the point after the x-boarder bashing; the main problem of the shutting down of decons is the business strategy. They unfortunately made the assumption that the Tz lifestyle is that if you get into the largest mall you are set. We have the W-store (Woolworth) for going on 16yrs, Brandhouse +20 years, AKs even longer, there are also the Mariedos...... And hundreds of smaller boutique stores there are going strong. Common denominator among the successful ones; NONE of their flagship stores are in a mall.

Real Dar residents will concur here, if a woman wanted to shop they would start at Kinondoni, Msasani, Sinza and end up in Kariakoo. For the men Mwenge, Survey and city centre.

When I hear of trueworth and 4U2, first thing that comes to mind is poor quality at high prices at least Mr Price sell at the right price point for the stuff they have. Someone said they won't miss them as they have never shopped there, I am of the same mindset, even when I travel to SA I never visit them, one gets better quality at Edgers.

Another issue is they only opened one store each and left it at that; how do you build a brand that way? One store in one mall? Recipe failure. For me I don't care if a SA brand operated by a Kenyan company fails, we won't go around naked and we have alternatives. This is another example of companies setting up shop in Kenya assuming that Kenyans understand the EA market.

It has nothing to do with statistics more to do with understanding the market, where the decons guys did not do their homework.

My advice to any foreign investor coming to TZ, our brothers in Kenya included, get a local to run the show, they will tend to understand the market better.

+100

[Geza Ulole]

i concur with Kijan but believe me some dudes here will resort into insults! btw most of successfully attires stores in Dar operate as individual and next to offices and not in malls that are 20 km from city center!

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

i concur with Kijan but believe me some dudes here will resort into insults! btw most of successfully attires stores in Dar operate as individual and next to offices and not in malls that are 20 km from city center!

100++

[Dhuks]

Originally Posted by kijan

If we can get back to the point after the x-boarder bashing; the main problem of the shutting down of decons is the business strategy. They unfortunately made the assumption that the Tz lifestyle is that if you get into the largest mall you are set. We have the W-store (Woolworth) for going on 16yrs, Brandhouse +20 years, AKs even longer, there are also the Mariedos...... And hundreds of smaller boutique stores there are going strong. Common denominator among the successful ones; NONE of their flagship stores are in a mall.

Real Dar residents will concur here, if a woman wanted to shop they would start at Kinondoni, Msasani, Sinza and end up in Kariakoo. For the men Mwenge, Survey and city centre.

When I hear of trueworth and 4U2, first thing that comes to mind is poor quality at high prices at least Mr Price sell at the right price point for the stuff they have. Someone said they won't miss them as they have never shopped there, I am of the same mindset, even when I travel to SA I never visit them, one gets better quality at Edgers.

Another issue is they only opened one store each and left it at that; how do you build a brand that way? One store in one mall? Recipe failure. For me I don't care if a SA brand operated by a Kenyan company fails, we won't go around naked and we have alternatives. This is another example of companies setting up shop in Kenya assuming that Kenyans understand the EA market.

It has nothing to do with statistics more to do with understanding the market, where the decons guys did not do their homework.

My advice to any foreign investor coming to TZ, our brothers in Kenya included, get a local to run the show, they will tend to understand the market better.

One good thing about this post is that points are put across without chest-thumping.I may never have set foot in Dar but i for sure know that all residents cannot be lumped together in terms of their spending power.
Deacons may not have been interested in shoppers who go to those markets because they do not form part of their target market.They failed because while it is true that there are customers of their target market,they are not sufficient to sustain its operations there.