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Old August 12th, 2012, 07:19 PM   #281
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How about Dallas DART?

It is now the largest LRT system in the US with 125km of route {and expansion continues} and 23 million passengers a year. The ridership levels are still poor considering the length of the system but considering the system is only 20 years old and Dallas had no rail network at all before DART started, the expansion and growth of the system has been stellar.
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Old August 13th, 2012, 01:53 PM   #282
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How about Sofia, Bulgaria?

In 2009 the total trackage in use was 168,4 km (single track). Including 5,1 km mixed gauge 1009/1435 mm. This doesn't include 29,6 km service tracks. The total length of the trackage has been shrinking since 2002 due to overlapping with the new subway system. But there are plans and funding to restore and reconnect the abandoned line to Darvenitsa district and recovering some 8,6 km of single track. The line was closed between the Russian Embassy and the loop in Darvenitsa in 2004 with the start of the construction of the second phase of the subway expansion.

Two days ago the line to Hladilnika was reopened after nearly 3 years of being closed during the construction of the metro, that being said the system grew back some 2,8 km of track.

Here is a scheme of the system as of June 2012 including the Metro.

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Old August 17th, 2012, 12:05 AM   #283
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As the author of that original statistics list I should point out that it only addresses systems moving more than 100 million p.a. There are of course many systems with patronage less than this. I have a lot of those figures myself but of course there is a lot of "filling in" to do below the 100 mill mark.

Using patronage figures to compare is a rough art because criteria and methodology are not necessarily consistent between cities. But my intention is doing a list this way is to indicate (relatively) the amount of real work a tram system does. The usual "world's largest" count by track/route kms doesn't give a true picture. Melbourne may have the longest route/track figure but Prague and Budapest for instance shift twice the load.

World's most effective tram systems might be a better way of putting it.
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Old August 20th, 2012, 01:09 AM   #284
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Hello, I introduce the bigest tram system in Poland (total system length):
Silesian Interurbans (Katowice,Bytom and others city) -336 km, number of lines - 25
Cracow - 334 km, number of lines - 28
Łódź - 291 km, number of lines - 19
Warsaw - 276 km, number of lines - 24
Wrocław - 258 km, number of lines - 22
Poznań - 214 km, number of lines - 21
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Old August 21st, 2012, 12:53 PM   #285
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Are those data take into account the superposition of the lines? They seem like they're just a sum of lines lenght with shared tracks counted several times
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Old January 13th, 2013, 08:16 PM   #286
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Are those data take into account the superposition of the lines? They seem like they're just a sum of lines lenght with shared tracks counted several times
Could well be so. i'll take this up shortly.
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Old January 13th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #287
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Lyon :

Tramway : 5 lines / 61 km / 57millions passengers / year





Current extensions :

T1 : + 2,3km
T3 (express tramway) : +1km for the future stadium
T4 : +2,3km
T5 : +2km

(new lines could be planned in the east of Lyon)

Tram Train (west Lyon) : 2 lines more than 20km / 3 lines and 55km once complete



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Old January 13th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #288
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Montpellier Tramway, the most excentric !!!!

4 lines / 56km / in the future : 6 lines and close to 100km






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Old January 13th, 2013, 11:18 PM   #289
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Paris
64.5km (23km and a new line opened in the end 2012)
5 lines (T1, T2, T3a, T3b, T4)
114 million passengers in 2011

There are four lines curently under in construction (T5, T6, T7, T8) and 40.2km of tracks.
Paris tram network toward 2020
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:44 AM   #290
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Sydney used to have the worlds biggest tram network. Unfortunately it was torn out in the 60s to make way for cars and buses, and they have been long missed and regretted ever since. At it's peak in 1945 there was 293km of route track and 405 million passenger trips a year.
There are currently efforts to restore some of the network, Melbourne fortunately decided to keep theirs.
Here are some historic photos.


http://tdu.to/137549.msg


http://mydarlingdarlinghurst.blogspo...oks-trams.html

image hosted on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/


http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/vi...=43166&start=0


http://tdu.to/108670.msg



Here there are today.
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Glebe Tram Shed 02 by hallojin, on Flickr

But there is a plan to put them down George Street again, which government has already committed to. Here's a render.

http://www.australiandesignreview.co...ney-light-rail
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:14 AM   #291
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I suspect not many people knew Sydney's tram footprint was far larger than Melbourne. Nevertheless, they have a great tram museum south of the city that is well worth a visit.

http://www.sydneytramwaymuseum.com.au/
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Old October 3rd, 2013, 08:14 PM   #292
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Here is the current streetcar/tram map in Toronto. The streetcar/tram lines are in red.

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/toro/tra...o-tram-map.png

Last edited by Svartmetall; October 4th, 2013 at 12:25 AM. Reason: Direct linking without citation
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Old October 4th, 2013, 12:15 AM   #293
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The map's a bit on the large side..
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Old October 4th, 2013, 12:26 AM   #294
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Here is the current streetcar/tram map in Toronto. The streetcar/tram lines are in red.

http://www.urbanrail.net/am/toro/tra...o-tram-map.png
#1. Don't link massive images to the forum.

#2. You must, must credit links. Robert works hard to make all his images and keep his website running. At least link to it properly rather than just taking his maps without crediting him.
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Old October 4th, 2013, 02:57 AM   #295
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Melbourne's new E-Class trams have started to arrive. They're ok, nothing special like some of the new trams in France and Belgium.

I'll credit the photos (don't want to get told off by Svarty.... )

Final livery

http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media/8...ss_700x419.jpg


http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media/5...ss_500x334.jpg


http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media/88040/img_2789.jpg


http://www.yarratrams.com.au/media/87948/eclass2.jpg


http://www.vicsig.net/trams/photos/2...wheelchair.jpg

image hosted on flickr

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2836/9...2647bc48_c.jpg

To be honest, I prefer them without the Yarra Trams green livery painted all over them. And I can't stand the advertising they post all over them.


http://images.theage.com.au/2013/07/...MS-620x349.jpg
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I have updated my list of major world tram statistics from new input from some 2012 annual reports. Any feedback is most welcome.

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World tram/light rail systems moving over 100 million passengers per annum:

Figures in order are for: no. of passenger boardings per annum, passenger kilometres/vehicle kilometres/place kilometres (assuming fully-loaded vehicles), route (NOT track) kilometres. Also shown where available for relative comparison are no. of passenger boardings per annum for the city’s metro system and for its total public transport (PT). For city population figures see qualifying note at end of list.

1. St Petersburg: tram 476 mill pass p.a., 205 route km.
Popn 4.5 mill (greater area).

2. Budapest: tram 364 mill pass p.a., 156 route km.
PT 1.4 bill.
Popn 2.5 mill.

3. Prague: tram 312 mill pass p.a., 47.3 mill vehicle km, 5.8 bill place km, 141 route km.
Metro 530 mill, bus 279 mill, PT 1.1 bill.
Popn 1.2 mill.

4. Warsaw: tram 270 mill pass p.a., 120 route km.
Metro 190 mill, PT 960 mill.
Popn 1.7 mill.

5. Moscow: tram 251 mill pass p.a., 163 route km.
Metro 2.5 bill, PT 5.6 bill.
Popn 10.5 mill (greater area).

6. Hong Kong: 245 mill pass p.a.
Popn 7.1 mill (greater area).

7. Vienna: tram 240 mill pass p.a., 240 route km.
Metro 400m.
Popn 1.7 mill.

8. Zagreb: tram 214 mill pass p.a., 148 route km.
Popn 804,000 (greater 1.2 mill)

9. Zurich: tram 202 mill pass p.a., 16 mill vehicle km, 368 mill pass km, 126 route km. PT 425 mill.
Popn 380,000 (greater 1.2 mill).

10. Melbourne: tram 191 mill pass p.a., 23.6 mill vehicle km, 250 route km.
PT 450 mill.
Popn 4 mill (greater area). Estimated tram catchment 1.5 mill.

11. Brno: tram 188 mill pass p.a., 139 route km. PT 346 mill.
Popn 400,000.

12. Yekaterinburg: tram 180 mill pass p.a., 180 route km.
Popn 1.3 mill (greater area).

13. Berlin: tram 173 mill pass p.a., 192 route km.
Metros 830 mill, PT 1.4 bill.
Popn 3.4 mill.

14. Stuttgart: tram (stadtbahn) 170 mill pass p.a., 192 route km.
Popn 600,000.

15. Dresden: tram 145 mill pass p.a.
Popn 500,000

16. Istanbul: tram 140 mill pass p.a.
Popn 8,800,000 (greater area).

17. Gothenburg: tram 140 mill pass p.a., 144 route km.
Popn 510,000.

18. Amsterdam: tram 130 mill pass p.a., 138 route km.
PT 255m.
Popn 760,000.

19. Toronto: tram 105 mill pass p.a., 150 route km.
PT 471 mill.
Popn 2.5 mill (greater area).

20. Munich: tram 104 mill pass p.a., 79 route km.
PT 560 mill.
Popn 1.3 mill.

Notes:

Populations given above are for inner metropolis (the area most likely to be serviced by the tram network) unless that figure is not available (in which case shown as “greater area”). The populations are a rough guide to city size only and do not necessarily reflect the proportion of the population served by tram.

Anther city that may just top 100 million is Calcutta (India’s only surviving tram system). The Ruhr urban conglomeration in Germany (equivalent to Greater Sydney) has several independent tram systems for which combined patronage would be very high but the above statistics are based on systems each in one defined city.

The situation with several former Soviet Union cities (Russia and Kiev, Ukraine) is fluid. FSU systems have mostly been in freefall decline since 1990 as funding has dried up and infrastructure becomes unusable. Many lines have been removed as cities consolidate the best of what they have, notably in Moscow and St Petersburg (current figures for which may actually be lower than shown above). Some of the changes in patronage for FSU systems are shown in this document:

http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/B09_55/Is.../Stg/02-52.htm
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Old February 10th, 2014, 11:06 AM   #297
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Melbourne's PT total is around 70-80 million short - metropolitan rail and bus combined should be 330-340 million depending on which fin year you use.
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Melbourne's PT total is around 70-80 million short - metropolitan rail and bus combined should be 330-340 million depending on which fin year you use.
Yes you're quite correct thank you. I updated the tram figure without updating the total - 536 milliom.
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Old February 11th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #299
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Where is Paris?

Paris
82.3 km Two lines, 17,8km opened in 2013
7 lines (T1, T2, T3a, T3b, T4, T5, T7)
114 million passengers in 2012

While the ridership has stagnated in 2012, the number of passengers has risen in 2013.
The tram network has almost doubled in size since the end of 2012 and two new line will open in 2014 (T6 and T8).

Unilike many other city, the tram network of Paris is located in the periphery, mostly in suburbs.
Most lines are not connected, there are only three transfer stations between tram lines.

Network by 2020, the sections in construction or planned are dotted.
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Where is Paris?
Yes I know Paris could be there but what is the figure after subtracting Translohr (lines T5, T6?)?
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