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Old September 10th, 2014, 04:41 AM   #321
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I think one of the issues that makes naming tram or streetcar cities is that the lines are becoming blurred.

In the US many cities have built LRT systems which may not serve the same purpose being more oriented towards rapid transit than local service they are exactly the same technology. Dallas certainly doesn't have a very dense urban environment but has the largest "tram" network in the US....DART.
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Old October 11th, 2015, 04:41 AM   #322
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Paris tram network
223.17 million passengers in 2014.
This number does not includes the T4 operated by the SNCF, this line has a bit under 10 million passengers but I don't have the exact figure.
Two tram lines (T6 and T8) opened in December 2014, so I expect a significant increase of ridership in 2015.

Network size
103.8 km
181 stations
8 lines
900,000 passengers per weekday in 2015
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Old October 11th, 2015, 05:52 AM   #323
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Wow that's impressive ridership... What's the ridership of the other France tram systems?
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Old October 11th, 2015, 10:44 AM   #324
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Less or more 300,000 passengers per weekday in 2015 (ca. 80 millions annual) in : Strasbourg, Nantes, Lyon, Bordeaux, Montpellier (each)
Lyon has also subway (700,000 pass./weekday)
220,000 pass./weekday in Grenoble
Between 120,000 and 40,000 in others cities
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Old November 8th, 2015, 05:10 PM   #325
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Acccording to the data from wikipedia: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramwa...9Bl%C4%85skiej tram network in Upper Silesian metro area has 181 km system length with 340 km total track length, 34 lines and had transported ca. 100 million passengers in 2011.

I can't find data about other Polish cities, but Krakow network is 97 km long and Lodz has 291 km of total track, which suggest network length of 100-150 km. Compared to Warsaw's system lengh and passengers number, annual passengers numbers in both cities could be over 100 million.
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Old November 8th, 2015, 10:10 PM   #326
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Acccording to the data from wikipedia: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramwa...9Bl%C4%85skiej tram network in Upper Silesian metro area has 181 km system length with 340 km total track length, 34 lines and had transported ca. 100 million passengers in 2011.

I can't find data about other Polish cities, but Krakow network is 97 km long and Lodz has 291 km of total track, which suggest network length of 100-150 km. Compared to Warsaw's system lengh and passengers number, annual passengers numbers in both cities could be over 100 million.
Warsaw is one of the world's top tram systems - about 270 million passengers per year.

I would certainly be interested to know figures for other Polish cities.
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Old November 8th, 2015, 10:41 PM   #327
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UITP has issued a statistics brief for "light rail", which means they include both streetcar/tram systems, stadtbahn/light rail systems and those which blend the two:

http://www.uitp.org/sites/default/fi...20rail-Web.pdf

My own list focuses on streetcars but of course it is often difficult to separate the two because many lines are a combination of both.

The list in this publication has some wrong or out of date figures but only by small margins generally. The cities in their list are generally over 200 million ppa, but there are some strong performing smaller systems that have a big output over smaller kilometres, such as Istanbul, Tokyo, Sarajevo, Jerusalem and Brno.

The differences with my own list compared to their "top ten" in patronage are (first figure is UITP data, second is mine):

1. Budapest 396 / 393 million ppa [probably just slightly different years' data]

2. Vienna 363 / 240 [UITP obviously includes "light rail" like the Badner Bahn but does this explain such a huge difference; are they including some pre-metro line as "light rail"?]

3. Bucharest 322 / not in my data [have I missed something? have they included pre-metro?]

4. Prague 317 / 333 [they have used older data]

5. St Petersburg 312 / 476 [I got figures from official Russian data so where is their figure from, that is a big difference?]

6. Warsaw 264 / 270 [I think they have older data]

7. Moscow 252 / 251

8. Cologne 210 / not in my data [is this purely stadtbahn?]

9. Zurich 205 / 205

10. Zagreb 204 / 214

Obviously they have missed Paris (233) but maybe they don't see it as a "system" since it is separate lines?

Hong Kong (tram and light rail) is a difficult one. Probably over 200 million but their public data is for weekdays only so it's impossible to make an annual calculation. One has to be wary of quoted "daily ridership" because it's often only weekdays and it's not possible to simply multiply by 365.

Any help from you guys who know the above individual cities would be greatly appreciated - especially explanation of the discrepancies and whether some of the systems would be described as light rail/stadtbahn and some streetcar.
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Old November 9th, 2015, 01:05 AM   #328
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Maybe they used older data.
Paris tram network had less than 200 million before 2014.

About Hong Kong, you can make an approximation using the data on the link.
You have the number of thousands passengers per km
MTR Light Rail: 4,813 36.2 km 174.2 million
Hong Kong tram: 2,475 30 km 74.2 million
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Old November 10th, 2015, 12:36 AM   #329
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2. Vienna 363 / 240 [UITP obviously includes "light rail" like the Badner Bahn but does this explain such a huge difference; are they including some pre-metro line as "light rail"?]
I seriously doubt that the Badner Bahn explains the difference, as it had a ridership of 12 Mio in 2014. I would not know how you could differentiate for pre-metro, ie U-Straba as these are only parts of certain, for their largest part regular, tram lines and no separate lines.
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Old November 10th, 2015, 05:24 AM   #330
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I seriously doubt that the Badner Bahn explains the difference, as it had a ridership of 12 Mio in 2014. I would not know how you could differentiate for pre-metro, ie U-Straba as these are only parts of certain, for their largest part regular, tram lines and no separate lines.
I agree with you. Every figure I've seen for Vienna is the smaller one. Only UITP has come up with this huge figure. I can't imagine where they got it from.
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I decided to do an update on my list with new information and after checking UITP information, some of which appears to be incorrect.

This is my list of top 25 systems in patronage (ridership). I have included light rail with tram/streetcar because the two are often blended in the one system, other systems are either one or the other and these are noted. Light rail I define as grade-separated tramway, that is with the characteristics of a railway but operated by trams.

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1. St Petersburg: tram 476 mill pass p.a., 205 route km.

2. Budapest: tram 396 mill pass p.a., 156 route km.

3. Prague: tram and light rail 333 mill pass p.a., 142 route km.

4. Bucharest: tram and light rail 322 mill pass p.a., 145 route km.

5. Vienna: tram and light rail 294 mill pass p.a., 177 route km.

6. Warsaw: tram 270 mill pass p.a., 120 route km.

7. Moscow: tram 252 mill pass p.a., 163 route km.

8. Paris: tram 233 mill pass p.a., 104 route km.
Note: Paris tram figure includes Translohr rubber-tyred guided vehicle

9. Zagreb: tram 214 mill pass p.a., 148 route km.

10. Cologne: light rail 210 mill pass p.a. 195 route km.

11. Hong Kong: tram and light rail 206 mill pass p.a. (estimated), 49 route km.

12. Zurich: tram 205 mill pass p.a., 126 route km.

13. Brno: tram 188 mill pass p.a., 139 route km.

14. Yekaterinburg: tram 180 mill pass p.a., 180 route km.

15. Melbourne: tram 177 mill pass p.a., 250 route km.

16. Berlin: tram 173 mill pass p.a., 192 route km.

17. Stuttgart: light rail 170 mill pass p.a., 192 route km.

18. Dresden: tram 145 mill pass p.a., 134 route km.

19. Istanbul: tram 140 mill pass p.a.

20. Gothenburg: tram 140 mill pass p.a., 144 route km.

21. Leipzig: tram 134 mill pass p.a., 148 route km.

22. Amsterdam: tram 130 mill pass p.a., 138 route km.

23. Brussels: tram 123 mill pass p.a., 139 route km.

24. Toronto: tram 105 mill pass p.a., 150 route km.

25. Munich: tram 105 mill pass p.a., 79 route km.
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Old November 12th, 2015, 04:17 PM   #332
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1. St Petersburg: tram 476 mill pass p.a., 205 route km.
in 2013 transport companies transported 1.8 billion Petersburg passengers. Of these, 18% by urban electric transport trams and trolleybuses - is 324 million.
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in 2013 transport companies transported 1.8 billion Petersburg passengers. Of these, 18% by urban electric transport trams and trolleybuses - is 324 million.
Thank you so much for that, I have been living with an old statistic waiting for somebody to update me!

So UITP says 312 million for trams. In that case it would only be 12 million for trolleybuses which doesn't sound right???
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Thank you so much for that, I have been living with an old statistic waiting for somebody to update me!

So UITP says 312 million for trams. In that case it would only be 12 million for trolleybuses which doesn't sound right???
I think the number of passengers that carry the same trams and trolleybuses
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