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Old May 29th, 2009, 12:20 PM   #141
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I am amazed at how many tram lines are being demolished in Moscow. This is unheard of today. It's like what the West was doing in the 1950's and 1960's. Is Russia still existing 50 years in the past?
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Old May 29th, 2009, 04:59 PM   #142
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THIS MAP IS HISTORY OF MOSCOW TRAM FROM BEGGINIGN TO NOW FROM 1899-2009 BUILDING TRAM LINES DEMOLISHING BUILDING DEMOLISHING AND LIKE THIS

WHILE THEY SHUT DOWN OTHER THEY BUILD ANOTHERS AND LIKE THIS.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 05:03 PM   #143
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BUILDING METRO COMPARED TO TRAM IS JUST A NIGHT DREAM MAYBE MOSCOW IS NOT ABOLISHING IT'S LINES NOW NOR ST PETERSBURG.

ONE LITTLE CLOSURE WAS IN MOSCOW IN 2008 BUT THE LINE THEY SAVED MAYBE WANT TO MAKE IT LONEGR AND MAKE TURNOUT SOMWHERE ELSE CAUSE THE CURRENT TURNOUT IS BUILDING UP BY AN INVESTOR THAT'S WHY THE LINE CLOSED. BUT EVERYTHING REMAINS THEY REPAIRED THE ROAD BUT THE RAILS AND CATENARY ARE LEFT IN GOOD CONDITION THEY SAVED LINE MAYBE JUST IN CASE.


ANOTHER CLOUSURE WAS ALSO IN 2008 LITTLE BIGGER UPPER PART OF LENINGRAD'S AVENUE.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 05:17 PM   #144
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What's with the capitals?

It's been well documented on here before that Russia's two biggest cities are tearing up their tram networks - the map you posted is really just the icing on the cake.

Russia must be stuck in 1952 if they think getting rid of trams is a good idea. Considering the traffic in Moscow is a nightmare as well - Russia should be putting down more tracks.
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Old May 29th, 2009, 06:53 PM   #145
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Well russia is in 1952 not only with the reason removing trams but also with politic issues so let's not talk about in which century russia has left ahaha
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Old June 23rd, 2009, 12:33 PM   #146
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While technically it is not a tram system in one city I think it should be at least mentioned in this thread http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Interurbans
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Old June 25th, 2009, 10:11 PM   #147
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Abu Dhabi is planning a large tram network. About 340km in total.
First phase is to open in 2013 and fully complete by 2030.

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Old June 26th, 2009, 09:09 PM   #148
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I read somewhere that with St Petersburg ripping up their tracks that Melbourne now holds the honor of having the largest system anywhere. Not sure if this is based on route KM, track KM or number of vehicles.
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Old June 26th, 2009, 09:22 PM   #149
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zagreb tram network is quite large, 19 lines and 115km or so of track; more are planned as well. it is on narrow gauge (1000mm), probably one of the biggest narrow gauge systems in the world!
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Old June 27th, 2009, 06:58 PM   #150
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Some pictures of melbourne's two latest tram extensions:

Docklands Drive was opened just a few years back, but is now starting to look like a mature street:





On the other side of the former docks, the Collins Street line is also being extended: several "superstops" are being constructed.

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Old June 28th, 2009, 12:30 AM   #151
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I read somewhere that with St Petersburg ripping up their tracks that Melbourne now holds the honor of having the largest system anywhere. Not sure if this is based on route KM, track KM or number of vehicles.
I think it was based on route KM ... but try track as well, we're still laying it out. See my last post.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 07:06 AM   #152
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I don't think Melbourne is the largest in route nor track km. The only extension underway is the Collins St extension which is only a few hundred metres long at most. This pales in comparison to other cities with much greater expansion plans.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 07:58 AM   #153
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The Abu Dhabi map is frikin awesome!

Tramz rule!

So glad they're building trams.
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Old June 28th, 2009, 08:07 AM   #154
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Lol that Melbourne tram route is freakin awesome!! (the busiest one in the world)

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Tram Traffic Jam!
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Old June 28th, 2009, 10:09 AM   #155
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I don't think Melbourne is the largest in route nor track km. The only extension underway is the Collins St extension which is only a few hundred metres long at most. This pales in comparison to other cities with much greater expansion plans.
We not talking about the future but today. I read somewhere that Melbourne now had the honour, not due to expansion, but due to other cities, St Petersburg in particular shrinking. Whish I could find where I read that though.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 05:34 AM   #156
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According to Yarra Trams (the current operator of the Melbourne System):
  • Melbourne has the biggest tram network in the world with 249 kilometres of double track.
  • There are more than 1770 tram stops across the network.
  • Yarra Trams operates 27 tram routes and the free City Circle tourist tram.

Other details from the Yarra Trams website or from the Ministry of Transport website:

Passengers 170 million per annum (likely to be understated since Melbourne has a fare system which enables you to use tram, bus & train on a single ticket)
  • Stops: 1814 (MOT); 1770 (Yarra Trams)
  • Routes 29 / 28
  • Fleet: 501 vehicles
  • 31,400 services per week
  • 24.8 million vehicle-km per year
  • 1900 staff, 1150 of which are drivers

Before citing greater route length for St. Petersburg or elsewhere, please ensure that you are talking about route length, not track length (this has been a frequent source of confusion in these forums in the past). Nor should different tram "routes" (services) running over the same section of track be counted seperately for each service.

249 km of double track means 498 km of track: plus a bit more for the odd sections of triple track. Let's ignore sidings in depots, etc., which are not in service to the public. As I indicated in my previous posting, the total will increase slightly once another 700 m or so of route opens in Collins Street West.

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Old June 30th, 2009, 09:25 AM   #157
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500 vehicles for ~500 km double track is not really much. We have about ~700 for ~300 km double track.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 01:34 PM   #158
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500 vehicles for ~500 km double track is not really much. We have about ~700 for ~300 km double track.
Well, we weren't claiming to have the largest tram fleet ... how many vehicles would you count this as?

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Old June 30th, 2009, 02:09 PM   #159
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You dont want to compete in this,we have the longest tram in the world,the Combino Supra NF12B.
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Old June 30th, 2009, 06:02 PM   #160
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Maybe not ... I must say the general design is rather similar.

We use trains for that sort of stuff.

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Train (Metro) Network:


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