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Old October 18th, 2005, 06:08 AM   #201
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London is practically an open city for terrorism. How in hell they ever landed an Olympics after 9/11 is beyond me. No way would I go to that city to see the games. A friend of mine, a Greek Cypriot girl living in London, was on the train car just behind the one that blew up. She was lightly injurred in the blast. From IRA bombers to unhappy east asians or Islamic terrorists, London has them all. They have 7 years to get their security improved or nobody is going to show up!
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Old October 18th, 2005, 07:36 AM   #202
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for me Barcelona were the best ever, they set a breakpoint,

also in the overall opinion there seems to be a first place tie between Sydney and Barcelona.

the only think that is for sure, is that Atlanta was a disastier..

The olimpic stadium was soooooo ugly, the Frankenstein of stadiums, also the terrorist incident, plus bad transportation, a giant Mc Donalds french fries pack used as olympic torch
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Old October 18th, 2005, 10:31 AM   #203
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yes the accountants made sure of it....
Once again, you totally avoid the mature accurate comments of me and dimitrious. i really hope for your sake that Cape town dont get the olympics until its citizens actually come to terms with the actual meaning and spirit.

Once again, i dont give a rats ass how many people were in the sydney venues or how much profit they made. The spirit was lacking badly. Tell me, what made them so good besides 'good' crowds?

Athletes didnt run the original track, didnt compete in the Original Ancient Stadium, didnt feel the power of the true olympic spirit. I suppose thats why 80% of Athletes competing in both athens and sydney were absouloutely thrilled they were some of the only people in history to compete in the true home and true place of the Olympic games and spirit. Theres no such thing as olympics outside of greece. They become comercialised money makeing plans that the stupid public fall for because there too ignorant to open there own eyes.

Like i said, i dont give a toss if Athens sold not one ticket. These were the true olympics. the clean olympics, the free olympics, the spiritual olympics, the REAL olympics. You got no generic crap in Athens. It was all the olympics...So dont go around saying shit like debt and **** because the topic is best olympics and no one can beat greece at its own game....not even sydney.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 10:41 AM   #204
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Oh, please.....get that huge chip on your shoulder surgically removed.

Wanting the Olympics to break even isn't about those nasty, horrible, naughty, beastly, greedy, bullying, mean Anglo Saxons corrupting the Olympic ideal with their free market dogma.

It's about making sure that the giant that the Olympics has now grown to be doesn't become a crippling burden on the cities and countries where it is held. Pontificating about the Olympic ideal and the purity of sporting endeavour is all very well. But if every Olympic Games was to make a loss of, say, $5 billion - that would be $5 billion less that any Olympic city and country could spend on things that really matter, like hospitals and schools and welfare and grass roots sporting facilities. All of a sudden, head-in-cloud idealism at the expense of fiscal reality doesn't seem like such a good idea, does it?
Then those cities shouldnt be hosting the olympics. The olympics shouldnt be held to make a profit. wtf? Greece is the only nation in the world with good reason to host the games. tell me another nation?? you simply cant...

The 2004 Olympics wernt Just Greeces Games, they were Europes games and more importantly the athletes games. They wernt held for profit or for the spotlight. They were held because Greece is Home and the games desperatly needed revival a year after Atlanta. Thus Greece was voted as hosts in 1997. IOC knew that profit wasnt an issue. What was the purpose of the Sydney games besides profit, national recognition and a form of lureing tourists?
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Old October 18th, 2005, 10:51 AM   #205
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Theres no such thing as olympics outside of greece.
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no one can beat greece at its own game....
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Greece is the only nation in the world with good reason to host the games. tell me another nation?? you simply cant...
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Old October 18th, 2005, 10:58 AM   #206
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Then those cities shouldnt be hosting the olympics. The olympics shouldnt be held to make a profit. wtf? Greece is the only nation in the world with good reason to host the games. tell me another nation?? you simply cant...

The 2004 Olympics wernt Just Greeces Games, they were Europes games and more importantly the athletes games. They wernt held for profit or for the spotlight. They were held because Greece is Home and the games desperatly needed revival a year after Atlanta. Thus Greece was voted as hosts in 1997. IOC knew that profit wasnt an issue. What was the purpose of the Sydney games besides profit, national recognition and a form of lureing tourists?
Sorry! I do feel the spririt of the athletes in Sydney. It's nothing to do with the organiser, whether they make money or not. It's the athlete that bother. Please focus on the athletes please.

If you are to insist that one can feel the power of the true olympic spirit only in Athens, then I have nothing to say. It will be better for Athens to hold it forever. I would rather watch the "UNIVERSAL GAMES" then, or the World Championships which have higher standard.

I wonder if you have been a serious athlete or not? I have been and I know how much have to be sacrificed and taken out to become an athlete, whether you are amateur or professional. I got nothing(I mean material & fame) except memories.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 11:25 AM   #207
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Old October 18th, 2005, 11:31 AM   #208
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Sorry! I do feel the spririt of the athletes in Sydney. It's nothing to do with the organiser, whether they make money or not. It's the athlete that bother. Please focus on the athletes please.

If you are to insist that one can feel the power of the true olympic spirit only in Athens, then I have nothing to say. It will be better for Athens to hold it forever. I would rather watch the "UNIVERSAL GAMES" then, or the World Championships which have higher standard.

I wonder if you have been a serious athlete or not? I have been and I know how much have to be sacrificed and taken out to become an athlete, whether you are amateur or professional. I got nothing(I mean material & fame) except memories.
oh ok. lets focus on the Athlete. The Athens Games were the CLEANEST games in the HISTORY of the Olympics. As well as this, Athletes had the chance to excel in there feild at the home and heart of the largest Sports Festival in the world started 3 thousand years ago in Greece.

What compares to an Athlete of Running the Original Marathon track, were the name comes from, or even competeing in the true stadium of the Olympics?

Justify that please.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 11:35 AM   #209
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If you are to insist that one can feel the power of the true olympic spirit only in Athens, then I have nothing to say. It will be better for Athens to hold it forever. I would rather watch the "UNIVERSAL GAMES" then, or the World Championships which have higher standard.
You dont only feel the olympic spirit in Athens, but in Olympia as well. You can go watch the universal games. They carry no meaning. history or spirit. in other words, there in no way glorious.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 12:01 PM   #210
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Barcelona 92, of course
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Old October 18th, 2005, 01:41 PM   #211
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Then those cities shouldnt be hosting the olympics. The olympics shouldnt be held to make a profit. wtf? Greece is the only nation in the world with good reason to host the games. tell me another nation?? you simply cant...

The 2004 Olympics wernt Just Greeces Games, they were Europes games and more importantly the athletes games. They wernt held for profit or for the spotlight. They were held because Greece is Home and the games desperatly needed revival a year after Atlanta. Thus Greece was voted as hosts in 1997. IOC knew that profit wasnt an issue. What was the purpose of the Sydney games besides profit, national recognition and a form of lureing tourists?
Where did I say anything about the Olympics having to make a profit?

Well, I'm waiting......!

Exactly! I said nothing of the sort. I merely replied to Demetrius' risibly chippy post about those horrible, nasty, mean Anglo Saxons and I pointed out that, if it wishes to survive, the Olympic movement cannot ignore at least a modicum of financial responsibility.

As to you claiming that no country has good reason to host the Games other than Greece.......please, just get over yourselves. Every country that hosts the Games has good reasons and those reasons aren't just about money. Those reasons include the honour of being awarded the Games. They include being able to indulge their nation's passion for sport. They include pride for their country and city and wanting to share that pride with the world.

We saw those reasons personified in Athens. We saw it in Sydney too. Two different cultures. Two great Olympics. So stop getting all arsey whenever anyone has the temerity to disagree with a fellow Greek!
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Old October 18th, 2005, 01:46 PM   #212
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oh ok. lets focus on the Athlete. The Athens Games were the CLEANEST games in the HISTORY of the Olympics. As well as this, Athletes had the chance to excel in there feild at the home and heart of the largest Sports Festival in the world started 3 thousand years ago in Greece.

What compares to an Athlete of Running the Original Marathon track, were the name comes from, or even competeing in the true stadium of the Olympics?

Justify that please.
Yes, yes....all very nice and I'm sure that the athletes appreciated both the historic sites and the modern venues.

But they also appreciated Sydney as a magnificent Olympics for the athletes too.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 01:58 PM   #213
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The point being, fool, is that the British insisted Athens go WAY overboard and spend Billions extra on security. They did and the only problem they had was some kook who slipped through British security. I hope you can follow that line of thinking.

With the bombings in London I expect the British will admit they have a problem and stop trying to cheap out on the security budget for the 2012 games. If they don't, Greece should boycott the games.

No. The point being, fool, that this drunken ex Irish priest was hardly likely to have been one of the fifty most wanted terrorists in the world. Or one of the fifty thousand most wanted. Or one of the fifty million most wanted. Or one of the.......you get the point?

I'm sure that, over the next few years and in the immediate run up to the 2012 Games, the British will be forced to spend far more on security than is currently budgeted.

And if Greece boycotted the Games (oh no, shock, horror, wailing and gnashing of teeth - what would we do?), that would affect the likely destination of, what, as many as two silvers and three bronze medals?

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Old October 18th, 2005, 02:06 PM   #214
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Once again, you totally avoid the mature accurate comments of me and dimitrious. i really hope for your sake that Cape town dont get the olympics until its citizens actually come to terms with the actual meaning and spirit.

Once again, i dont give a rats ass how many people were in the sydney venues or how much profit they made. The spirit was lacking badly. Tell me, what made them so good besides 'good' crowds?

Athletes didnt run the original track, didnt compete in the Original Ancient Stadium, didnt feel the power of the true olympic spirit. I suppose thats why 80% of Athletes competing in both athens and sydney were absouloutely thrilled they were some of the only people in history to compete in the true home and true place of the Olympic games and spirit. Theres no such thing as olympics outside of greece. They become comercialised money makeing plans that the stupid public fall for because there too ignorant to open there own eyes.

Like i said, i dont give a toss if Athens sold not one ticket. These were the true olympics. the clean olympics, the free olympics, the spiritual olympics, the REAL olympics. You got no generic crap in Athens. It was all the olympics...So dont go around saying shit like debt and **** because the topic is best olympics and no one can beat greece at its own game....not even sydney.
Blimey.

Have they pioneered the operation for surgically removing people from their own arses yet?
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Old October 18th, 2005, 03:34 PM   #215
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Where did I say anything about the Olympics having to make a profit?
Well, I'm waiting......!

Exactly! I said nothing of the sort. I merely replied to Demetrius' risibly chippy post about those horrible, nasty, mean Anglo Saxons and I pointed out that, if it wishes to survive, the Olympic movement cannot ignore at least a modicum of financial responsibility.

As to you claiming that no country has good reason to host the Games other than Greece.......please, just get over yourselves. Every country that hosts the Games has good reasons and those reasons aren't just about money. Those reasons include the honour of being awarded the Games. They include being able to indulge their nation's passion for sport. They include pride for their country and city and wanting to share that pride with the world.

We saw those reasons personified in Athens. We saw it in Sydney too. Two different cultures. Two great Olympics. So stop getting all arsey whenever anyone has the temerity to disagree with a fellow Greek!
When someone says that cities shouldnt be making a loss, it kind of Suggests that cities that host, want to host it for the profit.

i simply stated that Athens is the Only city that truely dosent mind about Profit or loss because it has something that other cities dont. Olympic Heritage. Now im not saying this in an Uptight fashion, but come on. That is an undeniable aspect which made the Athens games great. And i am disgusted in people who fail to admit that the Athens games was equally as good as Sydney if not better.

Not because i dont respect there opinion, but because they dont want to believe that the Athens games were a smashing success. We have countless Articles to prove it, and a few articles stating that seats were always empty dont affect the overshadowing culture of the Hellenic Games in 2004.

Like i have said. Sydney held superb games. Athens held Games that were just as good. In Sydney i liked the Crowds, in Athens i liked the way the Modern games were tied in to the Ancient Origion.
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Old October 18th, 2005, 03:41 PM   #216
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i am so sick and tired of this.... it is so exhausting...
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When someone says that cities shouldnt be making a loss, it kind of Suggests that cities that host, want to host it for the profit.
Did you read my post at all?

I was replying to Demetrius' ridiculous and bleating post about commercialism in the Olympics - blaming those ghastly Anglo Saxons for everything. I merely pointed out that no city and no country hosting the Olympics (not even Athens and Greece) can afford to ignore commercial opportunities and financial prudence. Sure, in an ideal world, the Olympics cost nothing. In an ideal world, everything is free. In an ideal world, sport remains untainted by advertising.

But, unfortunately, we live in the real world. And in the real world, the Olympics cost billions and billions of dollars. And if the costs can't be met by the proceeds from exploiting commercial opportunities, then they must be met by public money - money that could otherwise have been far better spent elsewhere. Because in the real world, hospitals have to be paid for; schools require investment; and the helpless in society need welfare.

In this respect, it could be argued that the Anglo Saxon model helped to save or rejuvenate the Olympics. After the financial disaster that was the Montreal Olympics (a city that is still, I believe, counting the cost of staging the 1976 Olympics), there was a great threat to the future of the Games. Cities did not want to commit themselves to decades of debt. And it was the Los Angeles Olympics in 1984 that first showed the Olympic movement that the Games needn't be a crippling financial burden on the host city and country.

So, to conclude, if a host city says that it doesn't want to make a loss, that doesn't remotely imply that all they're interested in is making a profit. It simply means that they acknowledge that they have other, greater priorities when it comes to spending the public's money and that, therefore, commercial opportunities offered by the Olympics will be exploited in order to cover the costs.

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i simply stated that Athens is the Only city that truely dosent mind about Profit or loss because it has something that other cities dont. Olympic Heritage. Now im not saying this in an Uptight fashion, but come on. That is an undeniable aspect which made the Athens games great.
I'm sure that Athens didn't care about making a profit. But I'm also sure that they didn't want to make a huge loss either. And I'm equally sure that the Greek people wouldn't have been too impressed if they had made a huge loss.

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You see, there you go again. The very definition of not respecting other's opinions. That last little bit, "as good as Sydney if not better", effectively says that you believe that Athens was the better Olympics. If you can believe that Athens was the better Olympics (and you absolutely have that right), then why on earth can't someone else believe that Sydney was the better Olympics without you being "disgusted" by them? Do they not have the same right to their opinion as you to yours?
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The 5 best:
1- Sydney 2000 (for everything and ecology)
2- Barcelona 1992 (the games and all things around: a real party)
3- Montreal 1976 (great)
4- Helsinki 1952 (friendship, fellowship)
5- Mexico 1968 (results, lot of world record broken)

All other were quite good exept, IMO:
1- Berlin 1936 (without any commentary)
2- Moscow 1980 (politics)
3- Atlanta 1996 (commercials)
4- Munich 1972 (very well done but, unfortunatly, nobody can forget external reasons. That's pitty for Germans who wanted to forget Berlin)
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Old October 18th, 2005, 09:38 PM   #219
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ok thats acceptable, but you do also have a mind of you own right?
You really shouldn't be so hostile to other opinions. I read in multiple articles that the games made a small profit. There were facts to back it up.
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And if Greece boycotted the Games (oh no, shock, horror, wailing and gnashing of teeth - what would we do?), that would affect the likely destination of, what, as many as two silvers and three bronze medals?
Greece won 16 medals in Athens and has steadily been increasing its medal count in every games since Barcelona. Greece also finished 8th in the medal count per population(Ahead of the UK, BTW)

This thread is dead. It has just turned into another flamme war.
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