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Old August 13th, 2008, 01:35 AM   #1
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3 days in Berlin

I spend 3 days in Berlin and the following pics are from the first day



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Old August 13th, 2008, 01:40 AM   #2
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Not bad for a city this.. Berlin eh?

Cool pics, I like the different angles you captured of the city. One thing I've never seen was that fist on the first picture, where actually is that? Pretty nice heh.

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Old August 13th, 2008, 02:04 AM   #3
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Its a shame how Germany neglects its public greenery. In in front of important buildings, the grass looks brown and neglected.
Don't they have gardening service in Germany?

The rest is nice though, except the hotel you stayed in. Looks run-down IMO.
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Those are some great shots! That's quite the fist!
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Old August 13th, 2008, 04:51 AM   #5
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Excellent shots of what is probably my favourite city in the world.

Did you get out of Mitte much?
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Old August 13th, 2008, 11:17 AM   #6
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Great show Tom, Is this your first time in Berlin? What do you think of this city? Personally I really would love to live there. Your photos just make me want to go back right now :O)
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Old August 13th, 2008, 11:21 AM   #7
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Its a shame how Germany neglects its public greenery. In in front of important buildings, the grass looks brown and neglected.
Don't they have gardening service in Germany?
How true. This is one thing that really dissapoints me about Germany. It always looks so scruffy, even around the most important sites.

It’s not that much hard work to cut grass and maintain public spaces, but with all the things that Germany does well, this is certainly not one of them. Often, the grass is two feet high along street curbs and filled with rubbish. I really think this is something that Germany must work on. But it’s odd, ever since I first visited Germany in 1995 this was what I saw. It was in fact one of the first things I noticed about Germany, poor public maintenance.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 03:46 PM   #8
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Excellent work. Spent three days in Berlin quite lately as well and absolutely loved the city. It certainly has the same metropolitan charm as say, Paris yet it has something undiscribely unique to it.

Heck, this is awesome! How on earth did you manage to avoid the reflections, dirt and all that? The photo is just so amazingly fresh and clean.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 03:50 PM   #9
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Nice pics! Berlin is such a great city!
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Old August 13th, 2008, 05:07 PM   #10
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Yes...really great pics, Tom! Well done!

The Mercedes-Benz building on Potsdamer Platz is so damn ugly! Is it new? It looks like '60s!
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God I wish I lived in Berlin.

Coolest city on planet Earth.
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Old August 13th, 2008, 09:40 PM   #13
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ehhhh

it's better to have some grass uncuted than boast of beautiful and spot on city centre when just few miles away from it plenty of stinking and backwarded little boroughs exist - check out london
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Not bad for a city this.. Berlin eh?

Cool pics, I like the different angles you captured of the city. One thing I've never seen was that fist on the first picture, where actually is that? Pretty nice heh.

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The fist stands next to Neue Nationalgalerie.

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I have seen this only in Berlin. Frankfurt spend much more money for the landscape.
My hotel is a youth hostel
It don`t need to be nice, just cheap.

Svartmetall: I visited many parts of the city. Kreuzberg for food

Justme: Yes it was my first time in Berlin.
The people are nice and the city is more relaxed but i was a little bit disappointed. I expected more great architecture, modern and old. Maybe it`s because i am spoiled. In my sig you can see which cities i have visited.
For the capital of thew 3rd largest economy Berlin is not that impressive.

Jape: I pressed my camera on the window and covered it with a black shirt.

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Old August 14th, 2008, 01:43 PM   #15
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it's better to have some grass uncuted than boast of beautiful and spot on city centre when just few miles away from it plenty of stinking and backwarded little boroughs exist - check out london
Then Berlin has something in common with London, as all those stinking little boroughs that you wrote about in London have their equivalents that are just as bad in Berlin. Of cause, minus the trimmed grass and maintenance you find in London ;O) Maybe you ought to open your eyes a bit more.

Anyway, I'm not going to knock Berlin. Like the rest of Germany it does suffer this lack of spending on it's upkeep, but it's still a great city and one of my four favourites, London, Paris, Berlin and Barcelona (no particular order). I could live in Berlin anyday and damn I'd enjoy it.
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Far be it for me to turn this into a slagging match about London vs Berlin, however, I do find that London suffers from more of an unequal distribution of wealth than Berlin and it shows in certain areas. Gated communities with barbed wire and electric fences are far more common in eastern London than they are in Berlin, and I hate to add as a Brit that the crime rate is generally a bit higher in London.

But I digress. Excellent second set of photos, Tom. I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like Berlin much!
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Far be it for me to turn this into a slagging match about London vs Berlin, however, I do find that London suffers from more of an unequal distribution of wealth than Berlin and it shows in certain areas. Gated communities with barbed wire and electric fences are far more common in eastern London than they are in Berlin, and I hate to add as a Brit that the crime rate is generally a bit higher in London.

But I digress. Excellent second set of photos, Tom. I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like Berlin much!
Like yourself I don't want this to get into a competition either, but I have to disagree with you. There are parts of Berlin which are just as hideous as the bad parts of London. As for crime statistics, I wouldn't be so hasty. For a start, London is a much bigger city and a much larger global center. Bigger cities do tend to have larger crime figures and being such a global center, it does attract organized crime more. There are also vast differences between how either country defines crime. This has been discussed quite a bit on these very forums here. But even if you compare statistics between countries (which is never accurate) The UK has less crime in many cases to New Zealand per capita (or very close) and many people perceive NZ to be a much safer place. (You can compare statistics on Nationmaster)

Also, I'm not British, so I'm not trying to place my home country or city above another. I do visit London a lot, as I do Berlin and London certainly doesn't feel less safe than Berlin. It has just as many grotty neighbourhoods but it does maintain it's self at a higher standard.
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Like yourself I don't want this to get into a competition either, but I have to disagree with you. There are parts of Berlin which are just as hideous as the bad parts of London. As for crime statistics, I wouldn't be so hasty. For a start, London is a much bigger city and a much larger global center. Bigger cities do tend to have larger crime figures and being such a global center, it does attract organized crime more. There are also vast differences between how either country defines crime. This has been discussed quite a bit on these very forums here. But even if you compare statistics between countries (which is never accurate) The UK has less crime in many cases to New Zealand per capita (or very close) and many people perceive NZ to be a much safer place. (You can compare statistics on Nationmaster)

Also, I'm not British, so I'm not trying to place my home country or city above another. I do visit London a lot, as I do Berlin and London certainly doesn't feel less safe than Berlin. It has just as many grotty neighbourhoods but it does maintain it's self at a higher standard.
I know you're Australian mate and not British, we've had a talked before on here many times in case you forgot. I'm the British one here!

I won't make any more comments on the London vs Berlin issue, however, I will say that I certainly feel safer in the UK than I do in NZ with reference to your use of crime statistics - the crime rate in Auckland is shocking to say the least so there is some truth in the comparison. The only time I've been a victim of crime has been in the short time I've lived in Auckland too, which of course adds to my perception that Auckland is unsafe. If you want to discuss this further though, you can shoot me a PM and we can discuss it outside of a photo thread.

Anyway, I think we both agree at least that both London and Berlin are fantastic cities.
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For the capital of thew 3rd largest economy Berlin is not that impressive.
Please don't forget it's history! You can't compare Berlin with other capitals.
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Anyway, I think we both agree at least that both London and Berlin are fantastic cities.
This part I can agree with mate
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