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Old August 16th, 2008, 05:04 PM   #41
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maybe you are right with your arguments, but not every German/Berliner is very content with all these memorials for Jews, Homos, Sinte and Roma, Children and so on. Even many people dont know for what all these memorials stand. My mother lives in Berlin and never went to the Holocaust memorial, she dont cares about that.
It is the politics who tries to vaccinate the germans. Today many people move on with life not apologizing every day again.
Berlin is the capital city again so the cruelty history have to be reminded!
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Old August 17th, 2008, 01:05 AM   #42
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@ kevinglue

maybe you are right with your arguments, but not every German/Berliner is very content with all these memorials for Jews, Homos, Sinte and Roma, Children and so on. Even many people dont know for what al these memorials. My mother lives in Berlin and never went to the Holocaust memorial, she dont cares about that.
It is the politics who tries to vaccinate the germans. Today many people move on with life not apologizing every day again.
Berlin is the capital city again so the cruelty history have to be reminded!
oh, no, i wasnt saying that. i couldnt imagine berliners being OK with it all, at least not everyone.
maybe remind yourselves of 'cruelty' history, but not public or in your face like in berlin. really, there are not many countries without a cruel history, and next to zero german people are part of that history anyway.
so i think all memorial/plaques need to be torn down. then dedicate maybe a page in school textbook, to appease the jews who have robbed germany of more than 100 billion euros and move on. germans shouldnt be sorry for anything.
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Old August 17th, 2008, 04:43 AM   #43
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so i think all memorial/plaques need to be torn down. then dedicate maybe a page in school textbook, to appease the jews who have robbed germany of more than 100 billion euros and move on. germans shouldnt be sorry for anything.
What the **** are you talking about???
You must be really dumb to believe this!
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Old August 17th, 2008, 06:03 AM   #44
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What the **** are you talking about???
You must be really dumb to believe this!
dumb to belive what, about the money? it's public record.
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Old August 17th, 2008, 06:08 AM   #45
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OK, that's your opinion. Don't mean to generalize, but I do know many western Germans who think that Berlin is a poor capital and as such a burden for west German tax payers.
Bonn was a much nicer capital. But now we have to live with Berlin if we like or not.
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Old August 17th, 2008, 10:27 AM   #46
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I seriously have to live in Berlin one day, I absolutely love it there. I've never felt so inspired by a city before - so many new ideas and vibrancy bursting out the city. It's so exciting being there, watching it being reborn.

Sigh. I'm madly in love with Berlin, and every ugly, rundown, post communist building in the city.
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Old August 17th, 2008, 05:01 PM   #47
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Old August 17th, 2008, 11:12 PM   #49
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Bonn was a much nicer capital. But now we have to live with Berlin if we like or not.
Bonn was a village. It is also a terribly forgettable city. Ask a few people around Townsville if they know anything about Bonn, and then ask about Berlin. I'd say Berlin doesn't get a lot of press in Townsville but people will still know more of it than Bonn.

I've been through Bonn and it feels nothing except an outpost of Köln. A satellite "suburb" if you like. It's a pleasant enough place, being quite green and spacious but has nothing in it that suggests it was the capital of one of the world's most important countries.

Berlin on the other hand is a city worthy of being called a capital, even if it's still work in progress.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 05:29 AM   #50
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Bonn was a village. It is also a terribly forgettable city. Ask a few people around Townsville if they know anything about Bonn, and then ask about Berlin. I'd say Berlin doesn't get a lot of press in Townsville but people will still know more of it than Bonn.

I've been through Bonn and it feels nothing except an outpost of Köln. A satellite "suburb" if you like. It's a pleasant enough place, being quite green and spacious but has nothing in it that suggests it was the capital of one of the world's most important countries.

Berlin on the other hand is a city worthy of being called a capital, even if it's still work in progress.
The capital doest not have to be the largest or most important city. Just look at Australia, its Canberra. Germany could have saved allot of money if the government just stayed in Bonn. And to be honest, the Rhine valley is the true cultural heart of Germany.
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The capital doest not have to be the largest or most important city. Just look at Australia, its Canberra. Germany could have saved allot of money if the government just stayed in Bonn. And to be honest, the Rhine valley is the true cultural heart of Germany.
Shhh, don't tell the Southern Germans that!

Besides, from an outsiders point of view, Berlin is by far more suited to be the capital. Canberra should never have been the capital of Australia - it always should have been either Melbourne or Sydney - heck the last Prime Minister refused to live in Canberra and opted for Sydney (don't know about the current one).
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I am a Southern German AND I live in the Rhine valley!
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The capital doest not have to be the largest or most important city. Just look at Australia, its Canberra. Germany could have saved allot of money if the government just stayed in Bonn. And to be honest, the Rhine valley is the true cultural heart of Germany.
In your first point you are correct. The capital doesn't have to be the largest city. But it should at least act like a capital. As for Canberra, I knew you would bring this up I'm not a big fan of Canberra mainly because it is so empty as a city. The streets just feels like it has so little life mainly because for such a small population it is very spread out. But even in this case, Canberra feels like a capital which Bonn never could. Canberra is a planned city, with wide avenues, monumental architecture and grand planning. Bonn is just a nondescript run of the mill town with no distinction as a city, let alone the capital.

Have you found anyone yet in Townsville who has heard of Bonn?
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