Red Routes

[Leeds No.1]

With gowing congestion in Leeds and no investment in transport in the next few years, would it be worth introducing red routes to Leeds on major routes to keep traffic moving?

Clearway hours are being extended in Sheffield http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/local...-on.3237133.jp

There are also a number of clearways existing in Leeds. Red Routes, on the same principle of those in London, would keep arterial routes clear and free flowing. At the moment there seems to be a mix-match mess of clearways then roads with parking, and bus lanes and its all a bit of a mess.

One particular route Im thinking of for a red route is A65 maybe. This is currently very congested too; as well as converting this to a red route, would it be worth converting the parallel Burley Road to one way (inbound) and use the A65 Kirkstall Road as one way outbound; in effect, a dual carriageway for a good length out of the centre?

I havent posted this in the transport thread as its really about roads over public transport.

[Val Verde]

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Well it would certainly be an excellent idea and it should surely be rolled out on all main arterial routes in and out of Leeds especially on narrow single carriageway routes such as the A65 through Kirkstall or the A660 through Headingley. Is there a reason why double red lines have only been widely implemented only in London and Birmingham?

[Leeds No.1]

I don't really know, but considering Leeds' congestion is simply ridiculous it seems a sensible, easy to implement idea, and could enable us to avoid congestion charging as in Manchester.

As well as red routes, these are possible ideas. The NE link road uses some existing roads. Dotted is an alterntive route.

[Leeds No.1]

I would propose red routing the Outer Ring Road, A647, A65, A660, A61, Roundhay Road, A657, A58, A64, A63, Inner Ring Road, East Leeds Link Road, A653, A643 and A62. The Red Route principle could well extend across the A647 Leeds/Bradford boundary and into Bradford.

My ideas for the NE Link Road and the alterations to the A65 corridor would allow for bi-directional guided busways/tbus/tram trains easily too.

[Leeds No.1]

Bringing this thread back up because of NGT. NGT will have large sections of segregation, but there are points where it will be with general traffic. Would it be worth designating those as red routes to ensure these parts of road are kept clear for trolleybuses?

[Suburban Knight]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

With gowing congestion in Leeds and no investment in transport in the next few years, would it be worth introducing red routes to Leeds on major routes to keep traffic moving?

Clearway hours are being extended in Sheffield http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/local...-on.3237133.jp

There are also a number of clearways existing in Leeds. Red Routes, on the same principle of those in London, would keep arterial routes clear and free flowing. At the moment there seems to be a mix-match mess of clearways then roads with parking, and bus lanes and its all a bit of a mess.

One particular route Im thinking of for a red route is A65 maybe. This is currently very congested too; as well as converting this to a red route, would it be worth converting the parallel Burley Road to one way (inbound) and use the A65 Kirkstall Road as one way outbound; in effect, a dual carriageway for a good length out of the centre?

I havent posted this in the transport thread as its really about roads over public transport.

Never saw this thread first time round, but I think making Burley Road one way would be a disaster. There are too many local roads that feed off it, whilst it diverges away from Kirkstall Road pretty quickly.

[Leeds No.1]

Okay, but what about in relation to converting it into a red route?

[SmartCity]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1
With gowing congestion in Leeds and no investment in transport in the next few years, would it be worth introducing red routes to Leeds on major routes to keep traffic moving?

Clearway hours are being extended in Sheffield http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/local...-on.3237133.jp

There are also a number of clearways existing in Leeds. Red Routes, on the same principle of those in London, would keep arterial routes clear and free flowing. At the moment there seems to be a mix-match mess of clearways then roads with parking, and bus lanes and its all a bit of a mess.

One particular route Im thinking of for a red route is A65 maybe. This is currently very congested too; as well as converting this to a red route, would it be worth converting the parallel Burley Road to one way (inbound) and use the A65 Kirkstall Road as one way outbound; in effect, a dual carriageway for a good length out of the centre?

I love the idea of having RED routes but there are many obstacles that would need to be overcome. One of the problems is that there are many properties along Burley Road whereby off street parking isn't possible and so residents in the area wouldn't have the availability of any parking in the area if on street parking was completely removed.

Having a one way system effectively dueling the A65 as far as Morrison's at Kirkstall sounds a good idea but the logistics of putting it into practice sound like a nightmare.

[Leeds No.1]

Yes parking would need to be sorted out, but I'm sure London faced exactly the same problems on a much wider scale when it introduced red routes. In other words, if the proposal for red routes was put forward, we would find ways to accommodate parking somehow.

Many of the red routes could just be single red lines- ie operational between certain times; most likely 07:00-09:30 and 15:30-18:30.

[TSRJames]

Good idea LN1,

Introducing red routes would be great and I’ve mentioned this previously. However with issues such as parking to consider it would take time. It was bad enough in Brum/Solihull when they got red routes – it took forever to implement down Stratford Road and there you had areas like Shirley which had lots of parking.

I know that A61 certainly needs it!

[Leeds No.1]

Most of the places along the A61 Scott Hall Road have off street parking so I'm not sure why people park on the carriageway there.

There's that row of shops next to the guided busway stop just before you get to Potternewton Lane- people always park outside those and cause traffic jams off the roundabout as two lanes have to merge into one just to get around those cars.

[Derrv]

Silly question i know, but, what do double red lines actually mean?

[Leeds No.1]

Double red lines means no stopping at any time. They are essentially clearways, but usually have higher penalties etc. Also the red lines makes it clearer (because people don't always observe clearways as much as they should).

Some red routes are single red lines- that means no stopping between certain times.

Yellow lines are no waiting as opposed to no stopping. Some parking is permitted on yellow lines too- blue badge holders for example are allowed to park on yellow lines, but not red.

I think we need to make our road network more efficient. Any form of decent public transport won't come until well into the next decade, and that will only be NGT which of course only affects three routes. Tram-train and NGT extensions are too far off to think about. But we can't just wait until we get more investment in public transport, we have to act now to make sure Leeds can cope with any potential growth. This means working with what we have in terms of rail, busways and roads. We can make the road network more efficient by having red routes.

[Leeds No.1]

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet..._road_markings
Double red lines

You are never allowed to park on double red lines. Double red lines indicate an area where it is dangerous to park, where your vehicle is a hazard to other road users, or where it would cause congestion or impede traffic flow. These are enforceable 24 hours a day.
Single red lines

You can’t stop on a single red line between 7.30 am to 6.30 pm Monday to Friday, and between 8.30 am and 6.30 pm on Saturday. Overnight parking is allowed. Outside peak times, you need a Council Greenway permit for special parking exemptions – call the police at 0131 226 7273 to apply for a permit.
Double yellow Lines

You can't park on double yellow lines at any time. You may load or unload on double yellow lines as long as there are no kerb stripes.
Single yellow lines

Usually, you can’t park on single yellow lines between 8.30 am and 5.30 or 6.30 pm Monday to Saturday, depending on the area – check street signs to be sure. You may load or unload on single yellow lines as long as there are no kerb stripes (see below for an explanation of kerb stripes). Please note that a sign is not required at every section of single yellow line unless the time of restriction on that single yellow line varies from the gerneral times of restriction within the zone.

[Leeds No.1]

To drag up this old thread, I've just spotted a line in this.

'WY package of red routes to benefit all vehicles and bus frequency increases and fare reductions '

So Red Routes look like they could be coming to Leeds in the next few years. They'd be particularly useful on NGT routes, as well as on the non-motorway parts of the Inner and Outer Ring Roads.