Seattle Area Traffic and Roads Thread - Page 66

mhays · November 26th, 2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by cameronrex

Also 'plausible deniability'? As in, 'no no the tunnel drilling didn't cause the 10% shift in your bldg. it's coincidence!'?

A lot of the potential accusers will go down with the building. So that's a little less risk there.

cameronrex · November 26th, 2012, 09:38 PM

I guess I better make sure my beneficiary info on the life insurance is up to date. Lol

Ruffhauser · November 26th, 2012, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cameronrex

I guess I better make sure my beneficiary info on the life insurance is up to date. Lol

ruffhauser with two "f"s. You're welcome.

Black Box · November 27th, 2012, 07:34 AM

All I can say is how amazed I am at the way AWV project is moving along. You can feel the change already.

RMacherat · November 27th, 2012, 08:28 AM

I guess they know what they're doing, right? They know so much more that I ever would about arches and whatnot from the Disc Channel. Still, fifty-seven feet! That's mighty big, plus skyscrapers on top of it. I'm sure it will be fine.

Matt the Engineer · November 27th, 2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays

The theory is that it'll be a gentle fall, like sinking into quicksand, so a lot of people will survive.

Ok, that's fine then. Carry on.

mhays · November 27th, 2012, 07:58 PM

I believe the establishment of an underworld of survivors is also anticipated. This will be effectively a janitorial service for the tunnel.

cameronrex · November 27th, 2012, 08:41 PM

You guys are all making me feel so much better!

geoffloftus · December 11th, 2012, 02:38 PM

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Tunn...182926861.html

So now we'll have both a Bertha and a Brenda tunneling beneath our streets.

mhays · December 11th, 2012, 05:34 PM

I'll be person #50,000 (presumably) to call it Big Bertha.

geoffloftus · December 11th, 2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mhays

I'll be person #50,000 (presumably) to call it Big Bertha.

This issue is discussed by Bertha Galaviz, own owns Bertha's Cleaning Service in West Seattle and now shares a name with the big machine... (see article)

Ruffhauser · December 11th, 2012, 06:57 PM

From todays DJC

http://www.djc.com/news/co/12048049.html

December 11, 2012

TBM is named after Bertha Knight Landes
By JOURNAL STAFF

Bertha Knight Landes was a ground-breaking woman and now a ground-breaking tunnel machine will bear her name as it digs along the Seattle waterfront.

Names were submitted by K-12 students with these criteria: names had to be female and reflect Washington's heritage, life, nature, transportation or engineering. More than 150 entries were submitted to a selection panel that included Gov. Chris Gregoire and Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond.

Landes was elected mayor of Seattle in 1926, and was the first woman to lead a major American city.

“This project is about breaking new ground,” said Charles Royer, a former Seattle mayor who helped pick the new name. “Like the SR-99 tunneling machine, Bertha Knight Landes was one of a kind. It's only fitting that the machine bears her name.”

Hitachi Zosen Corp. is putting the final touches on the machine in Japan. Crews last week installed the 57.5-foot-diameter cutterhead. Ownership of the TBM will be transferred later this month to Seattle Tunnel Partners, the joint venture building the tunnel.

The TBM will be disassembled and loaded onto a ship scheduled to arrive in Seattle next spring. Tunneling will start next summer at the launch pit west of Seattle's stadiums.

The winning name was submitted by two entrants: Darryl Elves' fifth-grade class at Poulsbo Elementary School and Elijah Beerbower, a second-grader at Lincoln Elementary School in Hoquiam. They will be invited to Bertha's dedication ceremony next summer and will receive special T-shirts.

CityView Jim · December 11th, 2012, 10:59 PM

Cleaning up 3rd Avenue downtown. I just don't think this will work. Bravo for the effort though:

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...ation-big.html

Seasun · December 11th, 2012, 11:07 PM

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In addition to the police patrols, Sido said the agreement calls for the installation of new street furniture, overhead weather protection and real-time transit information and more trash cleanups in the afternoons and evenings. He was unsure of the cost of the initiative.

It's lame they don't mention installing some cameras for remote monitoring and recording of the worst spots around Pike/Pine - 2nd/3rd.

alexjonlin · December 11th, 2012, 11:13 PM

Wow, that TBM is almost comically huge. I'm glad they're doing streetscape improvements to try to reduce crime in that area - police can only do so much, and after a certain point are not nearly as cost effective as solutions like CPTED (Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design) that aim to get more towards the root of the problem.

Matt the Engineer · December 11th, 2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by alexjonlin

Wow, that TBM is almost comically huge.

Almost?! As much as I hate the tunnel project, the engineer in me can't help loving mankind's ability to make machines that large. Compare the size of one of those workers to just a lifting lug.

Ruffhauser · December 12th, 2012, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt the Engineer

Almost?! As much as I hate the tunnel project, the engineer in me can't help loving mankind's ability to make machines that large. Compare the size of one of those workers to just a lifting lug.

You'll like these then.

image hosted on flickr

image hosted on flickr

and the pit that this beast is going into is no slouch either...

image hosted on flickr

CityView Jim · December 12th, 2012, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Seasun

It's lame they don't mention installing some cameras for remote monitoring and recording of the worst spots around Pike/Pine - 2nd/3rd.

Weird. Another PSBJ article on the subject. Same day? Different reporters but very similar. I like the second article better!!

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...-bringing.html

Seasun · December 12th, 2012, 06:14 AM

I'm glad cameras are mentioned in that story. There's a TSA or Coast Guard (or some agency installing surveillance cameras along the waterfront (last I heard) so they are coming. To be clear, I don't believe they stop crime but they should help investigators solve crimes and in some cases put away criminals.

bgwah · December 12th, 2012, 07:39 AM

What is the most expensive part of the tunnel project? It looks like the boring machine "only" cost $80 million (at least according to Wikipedia). Is it really just that expensive to operate it?

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geoffloftus Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 357 Likes (Received): 72	"Bertha" http://www.king5.com/news/local/Tunn...182926861.html So now we'll have both a Bertha and a Brenda tunneling beneath our streets. Last edited by geoffloftus; December 11th, 2012 at 04:20 PM.

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November 26th, 2012, 09:38 PM	#1302
cameronrex Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 489 Likes (Received): 32	I guess I better make sure my beneficiary info on the life insurance is up to date. Lol

November 27th, 2012, 08:28 AM	#1305
RMacherat Buy used books Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,742 Likes (Received): 91	I guess they know what they're doing, right? They know so much more that I ever would about arches and whatnot from the Disc Channel. Still, fifty-seven feet! That's mighty big, plus skyscrapers on top of it. I'm sure it will be fine.

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mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,390 Likes (Received): 119	I believe the establishment of an underworld of survivors is also anticipated. This will be effectively a janitorial service for the tunnel.

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cameronrex Registered User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Seattle Posts: 489 Likes (Received): 32	You guys are all making me feel so much better!

December 11th, 2012, 05:34 PM	#1310
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,390 Likes (Received): 119	I'll be person #50,000 (presumably) to call it Big Bertha.

December 11th, 2012, 06:57 PM	#1312
Ruffhauser Registered User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: North Belltown Posts: 1,358 Likes (Received): 218	From todays DJC http://www.djc.com/news/co/12048049.html December 11, 2012 TBM is named after Bertha Knight Landes By JOURNAL STAFF Bertha Knight Landes was a ground-breaking woman and now a ground-breaking tunnel machine will bear her name as it digs along the Seattle waterfront. Names were submitted by K-12 students with these criteria: names had to be female and reflect Washington's heritage, life, nature, transportation or engineering. More than 150 entries were submitted to a selection panel that included Gov. Chris Gregoire and Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond. Landes was elected mayor of Seattle in 1926, and was the first woman to lead a major American city. “This project is about breaking new ground,” said Charles Royer, a former Seattle mayor who helped pick the new name. “Like the SR-99 tunneling machine, Bertha Knight Landes was one of a kind. It's only fitting that the machine bears her name.” Hitachi Zosen Corp. is putting the final touches on the machine in Japan. Crews last week installed the 57.5-foot-diameter cutterhead. Ownership of the TBM will be transferred later this month to Seattle Tunnel Partners, the joint venture building the tunnel. The TBM will be disassembled and loaded onto a ship scheduled to arrive in Seattle next spring. Tunneling will start next summer at the launch pit west of Seattle's stadiums. The winning name was submitted by two entrants: Darryl Elves' fifth-grade class at Poulsbo Elementary School and Elijah Beerbower, a second-grader at Lincoln Elementary School in Hoquiam. They will be invited to Bertha's dedication ceremony next summer and will receive special T-shirts.

December 11th, 2012, 10:59 PM	#1313
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,964 Likes (Received): 64	Cleaning up 3rd Avenue downtown. I just don't think this will work. Bravo for the effort though: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/n...ation-big.html

December 11th, 2012, 11:13 PM	#1315
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,271 Likes (Received): 87	Wow, that TBM is almost comically huge. I'm glad they're doing streetscape improvements to try to reduce crime in that area - police can only do so much, and after a certain point are not nearly as cost effective as solutions like CPTED (Crime Prevention Through Environmental Design) that aim to get more towards the root of the problem.

December 12th, 2012, 06:14 AM	#1319
Seasun Registered User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,561 Likes (Received): 43	I'm glad cameras are mentioned in that story. There's a TSA or Coast Guard (or some agency installing surveillance cameras along the waterfront (last I heard) so they are coming. To be clear, I don't believe they stop crime but they should help investigators solve crimes and in some cases put away criminals.

December 12th, 2012, 07:39 AM	#1320
bgwah honk!!! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kirkland, WA Posts: 1,751 Likes (Received): 78	What is the most expensive part of the tunnel project? It looks like the boring machine "only" cost $80 million (at least according to Wikipedia). Is it really just that expensive to operate it?